Electricity falls out of the wall socket

UnsteadyKen wrote:
Bill Wright wrote...

No, it just means we pay a few pence per year per item for the
advantages of having it on standby. It's good value I think. It
certainly isn't an important issue.

Quite right Bill, all this global warming rubbish is a con, I mean who
needs bloody rain forests anyway.

If we could have a bit more more global warming we would have much
better rain forests. Not that we want them.

Bill

John Hall wrote:
In article ,
Ian writes:
In message , Yellow writes
"Ian" wrote in message
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I've just heard Alastair Campbell say on TV that if you leave a socket
switched to on with nothing plugged in, it still uses power.
What show what that on?


The Wright Stuff Ch5, just before 10am.

Bill has his own TV programme now?

I wish I had. It wouldn't get past the PC Fascists though.

Bill

On 27/06/2012 03:56, Bill Wright wrote:
John Hall wrote:
In article ,
Ian writes:
In message , Yellow writes
"Ian" wrote in message
...
I've just heard Alastair Campbell say on TV that if you leave a
socket
switched to on with nothing plugged in, it still uses power.
What show what that on?


The Wright Stuff Ch5, just before 10am.

Bill has his own TV programme now?

I wish I had. It wouldn't get past the PC Fascists though.

Bill
I always fund the argument that started 'My friend says' is the most
annoying. because 99.9 % of the time it will be total rubbish. BUT the
person will be guided by that as a reason not to do what you have told
them to do or what the answer is.

30 years in the business and my mum tried that on me. Being mum I could
just say NOT SO and she sort of believed me. But you could see there was
doubt until the problem was sorted the way I said it would. When
customers do it well.............

On Wednesday, June 27th, 2012, at 03:56:00h +0100, Bill Wright suggested:

It wouldn't get past the PC Fascists though.

Even on FOX NEWS Channel?

"Steve Thackery" wrote in message
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Johny B Good wrote:

I wasn't sure what the difference was between "Sleep" and "Hibernate"
modes until you posted your power consumption findings and apparently
there is none making the power consumption exactly the same for the
shutdown state.

Yes, in Windows XP, hibernate is exactly as you describe: the machine
state is written to disk and then the machine is shut down into "soft
power off". In "standby" the machine is suspended with the RAM remaining
powered. No time-consuming writing out to disk of the machine state.

In theory you'd think the latter would use more power, as the RAM is
powered up, but it doesn't on my machine (with my wattmeter).

Windows 7 introduced a hybrid which they call "sleep". The machine state
is written to disk, but the machine then goes into standby mode (that is,
the RAM remains powered).

If the machine is woken from this state, it resumes almost instantly from
the RAM. If the power is lost during standby, the machine then starts up
from the hibernate file. This takes longer than coming out of standby,
but is still faster than a reboot.

It's a clever compromise.

If standby on XP doesn't write stuff to the disk, why does it take such a
long time to enter (and leave) standby when there are lots of programs
active? About a minute or so on my (admittedly underpowered by modern
standards) XP desktop.

--
Max Demian

"UnsteadyKen" wrote in message
m...

Bill Wright wrote...

No, it just means we pay a few pence per year per item for the
advantages of having it on standby. It's good value I think. It
certainly isn't an important issue.

Quite right Bill, all this global warming rubbish is a con, I mean who
needs bloody rain forests anyway.

--
Ken O'Meara

Mother Earth WILL have her rain forests! All we're doing is moving them
from where they are to the UK - well, we've got the first bit
anyway.................

On Tue, 26 Jun 2012 16:54:25 +0100, Mark O'Knee wrote:

On 26/06/2012 10:14, Ian wrote:

I've just heard Alastair Campbell say on TV that if you leave a socket
switched to on with nothing plugged in, it still uses power.

No doubt this is all sparked by the latest Energy Savings Trust report
claiming some fairly large (relatively) proportion of our electricity
consumption is from appliances on standby. This will be fodder to those
who think (incorrectly) that you absolutely must turn your TV off at the
mains when not in use.

My M-I-L insists on turning her TV off at the wall socket, but cannot
explain why she considers it safe to leave her PVR powered. She never
records anything overnight.
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Peter

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On 27/06/2012 13:41, Peter wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jun 2012 16:54:25 +0100, Mark wrote:

On 26/06/2012 10:14, Ian wrote:
I've just heard Alastair Campbell say on TV that if you leave a socket
switched to on with nothing plugged in, it still uses power.
No doubt this is all sparked by the latest Energy Savings Trust report
claiming some fairly large (relatively) proportion of our electricity
consumption is from appliances on standby. This will be fodder to those
who think (incorrectly) that you absolutely must turn your TV off at the
mains when not in use.
My M-I-L insists on turning her TV off at the wall socket, but cannot
explain why she considers it safe to leave her PVR powered. She never
records anything overnight.
She is old enough to have heard all the TV on fire story's. I remember
they seemed like every week when
I was a kid and there were public information films on TV advocating
unplugging the TV. There are not many PVR on fire story's.

On Wednesday, June 27th, 2012, at 14:14:36h +0100, Gary wrote:

She is old enough to have heard all the TV on fire story's.
I remember they seemed like every week when I was a kid and
there were public information films on TV advocating unplugging
the TV. There are not many PVR on fire story's.

Minor technical point -- the plural of story is stories.

On 27/06/2012 14:22, J G Miller wrote:
On Wednesday, June 27th, 2012, at 14:14:36h +0100, Gary wrote:

She is old enough to have heard all the TV on fire story's.
I remember they seemed like every week when I was a kid and
there were public information films on TV advocating unplugging
the TV. There are not many PVR on fire story's.
Minor technical point -- the plural of story is stories.

That is not technical. That is grammar. I was indicating possession.

Gary :-)