electric shock

On Sun, 20 May 2012 18:45:17 +0100, tony sayer
wrote:

In article , Stephen
Wolstenholme scribeth thus
On Sun, 20 May 2012 16:29:08 +0200, Martin wrote:

On Sun, 20 May 2012 12:57:43 +0100, Stephen Wolstenholme
wrote:

On Sun, 20 May 2012 10:57:19 +0200, Martin wrote:

I had electrotherapy on my leg muscles after breaking it. As far as I
could tell it was a complete waste of time.

I also found it is a waste or time. About ten years ago my leg muscles
started to weaken as my MS got worse. I was sent for weekly
electrotherapy. If it did anything I didn't notice.

A close relative, who is a physio was diagnosed with MS a year ago. I
think that in the physio world there is quack treatment mixed up with
useful stuff.

The physio who comes to sort my legs out once a month is a specialist.
She helps me a lot but I have fallen for quack treatment as well.

Sympathies on that one!. And Heres me moaning about a bit of hip pain
and the joint that clicks a bit, but at least I can have it replaced..


The best thing about my type of MS is that it is pain free apart from
pain resulting from falls.

This new MS drug going to be of much use do you know?..


All MS drugs are for RRMS. I have PPMS and there are no approved drugs
for it.

Steve

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Martin wrote:
On Mon, 21 May 2012 12:30:23 +0100, Stephen Wolstenholme
wrote:

On Sun, 20 May 2012 18:45:17 +0100, tony sayer
wrote:

In article , Stephen
Wolstenholme scribeth thus
On Sun, 20 May 2012 16:29:08 +0200, Martin wrote:

On Sun, 20 May 2012 12:57:43 +0100, Stephen Wolstenholme
wrote:

On Sun, 20 May 2012 10:57:19 +0200, Martin wrote:

I had electrotherapy on my leg muscles after breaking it. As far as I
could tell it was a complete waste of time.

I also found it is a waste or time. About ten years ago my leg muscles
started to weaken as my MS got worse. I was sent for weekly
electrotherapy. If it did anything I didn't notice.

A close relative, who is a physio was diagnosed with MS a year ago. I
think that in the physio world there is quack treatment mixed up with
useful stuff.

The physio who comes to sort my legs out once a month is a specialist.
She helps me a lot but I have fallen for quack treatment as well.

Sympathies on that one!. And Heres me moaning about a bit of hip pain
and the joint that clicks a bit, but at least I can have it replaced..


The best thing about my type of MS is that it is pain free apart from
pain resulting from falls.

My close relative has excruciating leg pains despite all the pain
killers prescribed.


This new MS drug going to be of much use do you know?..


All MS drugs are for RRMS. I have PPMS and there are no approved drugs
for it.

What's the difference?

QQ. ;-)

http://www.mssociety.org.uk/what-is-ms/types-of-ms for the real answer.

Tim

On Mon, 21 May 2012 14:05:43 +0200, Martin wrote:

On Mon, 21 May 2012 12:30:23 +0100, Stephen Wolstenholme
wrote:

On Sun, 20 May 2012 18:45:17 +0100, tony sayer
wrote:

In article , Stephen
Wolstenholme scribeth thus
On Sun, 20 May 2012 16:29:08 +0200, Martin wrote:

On Sun, 20 May 2012 12:57:43 +0100, Stephen Wolstenholme
wrote:

On Sun, 20 May 2012 10:57:19 +0200, Martin wrote:

I had electrotherapy on my leg muscles after breaking it. As far as I
could tell it was a complete waste of time.

I also found it is a waste or time. About ten years ago my leg muscles
started to weaken as my MS got worse. I was sent for weekly
electrotherapy. If it did anything I didn't notice.

A close relative, who is a physio was diagnosed with MS a year ago. I
think that in the physio world there is quack treatment mixed up with
useful stuff.

The physio who comes to sort my legs out once a month is a specialist.
She helps me a lot but I have fallen for quack treatment as well.

Sympathies on that one!. And Heres me moaning about a bit of hip pain
and the joint that clicks a bit, but at least I can have it replaced..


The best thing about my type of MS is that it is pain free apart from
pain resulting from falls.

My close relative has excruciating leg pains despite all the pain
killers prescribed.


I know that MS can be painful but I do not have that sort of MS. I
don't need any pain killers.


This new MS drug going to be of much use do you know?..


All MS drugs are for RRMS. I have PPMS and there are no approved drugs
for it.

What's the difference?


RRMS is Relapsing Remitting MS. It is the most common type. The
symptoms go up and down.

PPMS is Primary Progressive MS. The symptoms slowly get worse but
never get better. I've had it for over thirty years but did not know I
had it until about ten years ago.

They are often considered to have different causes.

Steve

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On Sat, 19 May 2012 18:08:07 +0100, Bill Wright
wrote:

I have a 200 year old device intended to cure neuralgia by means of
electrodes and a small dynamo.

My brother was a collector of Victorian and Edwardian curios, often
found at the precursor of boot-sales, for peanuts.
One day he showed me a terrifying looking device, consisting of a
wooden box with a mains plug (cotton-covered two core wiring, 5A
plug), a couple of resistance controls and a flattish glass bulb with
a couple of electrodes in it, connected with another cotton-covered
rubber flex. I unrecall whether there was a high voltage warning -
istr there wasn't but the bulb was encased in a fairly sturdy Bakelite
handle.
Apparently you had to run the bulb over your skin where the pain was -
it gave out a purplish glow. Probably filled with neon/argon/whatever.

Amazing the power of that early electrick stuff - could cure anything.
Obviously, the mains we have today is weak and nanny-stated, so all
the goodness is taken out of it.

On Friday, June 1st, 2012, at 16:47:11h +0100, Grimly Curmudgeon explained:

Amazing the power of that early electrick stuff - could cure anything.

And if you cannot pay the doctor for the treatment,
just lie down on the train tracks.

http://photoblog.msnbc.msn.COM/_news/2011/08/02/7227603-desperate-sick-indonesians-lie-across-railroad-tracks-as-therapy?lite

In article , J G Miller
scribeth thus
On Friday, June 1st, 2012, at 16:47:11h +0100, Grimly Curmudgeon explained:

Amazing the power of that early electrick stuff - could cure anything.

And if you cannot pay the doctor for the treatment,
just lie down on the train tracks.

http://photoblog.msnbc.msn.COM/_news...esperate-sick-
indonesians-lie-across-railroad-tracks-as-therapy?lite



Not surprising that it might work after all if you believe it will it
can ..Sometimes .. 'tho its rather difficult pinning that down in a
controlled trial;!...

--
Tony Sayer

In article , Wolfgang Schwanke
scribeth thus
Martin wrote in
:

In one of today's newspapers there is a photo of a paraplegic guy who
has just swum between two of the Indonesian islands using special
attachments to what is left of his legs. It says he was electrocuted
whilst removing a TV aerial

There must be something about electricity in Indonesia.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zca97nkMkHE


JOOI how is it they receive shocks as some have a towel under their feet
so its not rail to rail, and surely Both rails would be bonded together
to provide the return conductor and surely it isn't leakage at that
distance from the overhead at 25 kV..

--
Tony Sayer

tony sayer wrote:

JOOI how is it they receive shocks as some have a towel under their feet
so its not rail to rail, and surely Both rails would be bonded together
to provide the return conductor and surely it isn't leakage at that
distance from the overhead at 25 kV..

It's probably vibration from trains.

Bill

On Saturday, June 2nd, 2012, at 21:43:06h +0200, Wolfgang Schwanke pondered:

I've been wondering why the rails are under current at all, and why
there should be a voltage difference between the two rails.

I thought it was used as part of the "signalling" system.

As far as I am aware, when a train is on a stretch of track and
completes the circuit, that indicates the presence of the train.

No train, no circuit across the rails, so in the dispatch
center it is seen that the track is clear on the control board.

I seem to recall somebody telling me that when they were a lad,
they along with some friends used to put something temporarily
across the tracks to cause the signal to change from green to danger.

After they had tried this stunt over several days, they told me
that a mainenance engineer from the NMBS arrived and inspected
the track and when asked told them that there had been reports
of a fault on the system, presumably the signaling.

As you should be aware they do use the rails as part of a track
circuit because where the rails are not continuously welded,
they use bonding cables from one section of rail to the next.

In article , says...

I seem to recall somebody telling me that when they were a lad,
they along with some friends used to put something temporarily
across the tracks to cause the signal to change from green to danger.


Standard equipment in a BR brake van was a length of wire with a clip on
each end for that very purpose. Obviously an addition to the time
honoured use of detonators to protect the rear of a train in the event
of a breakdown.

--

Terry