£180M for 4G Interference solution ...

"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
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In article , JohnT
wrote:

"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...
The UK networks got into a bidding frenzy in the 3G spectrum auction,
this was declared a triumph for Gordon Brown's treasury, but the cost
crippled the networks profits for years, leading to reduced
corporation tax from them, also reduced income tax as they laid-off
thousands of staff ...

Is that the excuse Vodaphone have trotted out for dodging so much tax?

There isn't a Company named Vodaphone. If you mean Vodafone can you
indicate your source of the claim that they have dodged tax?

Don't rely on my comments, go direct to the sources (plural). Read Private
Eye over recent years and/or check the records of the relevant Parliament
Committee more recently when they examined the behaviour of the company
and how HMRC has dealt with the issues. I long ago lost track of how often
this has been discussed in such places.

I must admit I'm surprised that there is anyone left in the UK who
*hasn't*
heard of this matter. But read PE if you want to monitor developments and
find out the full details - or at least as full as currently disclosed.


I quite like Ian Hislop on HIGNFY, but I regard him as an entertainer rather
than as a fount of knowlege. FWIW, I find you quite entertaining too.
--
JohnT

"Martin" wrote in message
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On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 15:07:51 -0000, "JohnT"
wrote:


"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...
The UK networks got into a bidding frenzy in the 3G spectrum auction,
this was declared a triumph for Gordon Brown's treasury, but the cost
crippled the networks profits for years, leading to reduced corporation
tax from them, also reduced income tax as they laid-off thousands of
staff ...

Is that the excuse Vodaphone have trotted out for dodging so much tax?

There isn't a Company named Vodaphone. If you mean Vodafone can you
indicate
your source of the claim that they have dodged tax?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/new...ge-claims.html

"Parliament's public accounts committee published a report of its
inquiry into controversial tax deals agreed between senior officials
at Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs and investment bank Goldman Sachs
and Vodafone (up 2.75p to 176.3p)."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...evenue-customs
http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2012/01/is-...ive-tax-dodge/

I wouldn't believe anything I read in the Daily Mail. The Gruniad is
slightly more reliable and your Gizmodo link takes us back to Mr Hislop.

--
JohnT

In article , Bill Wright
scribeth thus
Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , Bill Wright
writes
lid wrote:

But do 'active' filters exist at these frequencies?
Yes.

Active filters can themselves introduce problems if subjected to
overload.
Of course, they aren't a perfect bomb-proof answer. But in the case of
a large communal system where their cost would be acceptable they
would often provide the best remedy, in conjunction with a careful
aerial installation.
And as discussed elsewhere the interference may already have be
translated into the TV channel before it reaches the receive aerial.
In which case *NO* filter can remove it.
Spurious emissions from the 4G site would have to be below a certain
defined level, as with every transmission.

I have to admit that I haven't come across active filters being used at
UHF. The only ones I've come across are those used in audio circuits.
Are there any example around?
A problem arises in that some manufacturers use the expression 'active
filter' to mean 'agile filter' -- one that can be retuned
electronically. Many of these have the same response characteristics as
ordinary three-stage passive filters, ie not good enough to pass channel
n and stop channel n+1.
But if you look at Alcad, Taylor, Televes, Spaun, Wisi, Hirschmann etc
there are lots of products.

Bill


Have a bit of fun with this simulation. Tune up the Inductive Output
Tube in a typical Digital TV Transmitter...


http://www.thomson-broadcast-csg.com...simulator.html
--
Tony Sayer

and Parliament's public accounts committee published report is not to
be trusted?

I no longer trust the PAC reports since Margaret Hodge started using the
PAC as if it were her personal publicity machine. And FWIW senior
officials no longer fear the PAC in the way they did for many years,
precisely because of her grandstanding, and it is expected that somone
(probably somone near retirement) will walk out on her if she continues
to make totally false accusations (eg that officials - other than
Accounbting Officers - are accountable to Parliament).

More generally, care to name any FTSE company based in the UK which has
not "dodged tax"?

For that matter, is everyone with an ISA a "tax dodger"?

--
Robin
reply to address is (meant to be) valid

In message , tony sayer
writes
In article , Bill Wright
scribeth thus
Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , Bill Wright
writes
lid wrote:

But do 'active' filters exist at these frequencies?
Yes.

Active filters can themselves introduce problems if subjected to
overload.
Of course, they aren't a perfect bomb-proof answer. But in the case of
a large communal system where their cost would be acceptable they
would often provide the best remedy, in conjunction with a careful
aerial installation.
And as discussed elsewhere the interference may already have be
translated into the TV channel before it reaches the receive aerial.
In which case *NO* filter can remove it.
Spurious emissions from the 4G site would have to be below a certain
defined level, as with every transmission.

I have to admit that I haven't come across active filters being used at
UHF. The only ones I've come across are those used in audio circuits.
Are there any example around?
A problem arises in that some manufacturers use the expression 'active
filter' to mean 'agile filter' -- one that can be retuned
electronically. Many of these have the same response characteristics as
ordinary three-stage passive filters, ie not good enough to pass channel
n and stop channel n+1.
But if you look at Alcad, Taylor, Televes, Spaun, Wisi, Hirschmann etc
there are lots of products.

Bill


Have a bit of fun with this simulation. Tune up the Inductive Output
Tube in a typical Digital TV Transmitter...


http://www.thomson-broadcast-csg.com...simulator.html

I didn't read the instructions, but with a couple of minutes' work, I
got a nice flat, symmetrical, bandpass response between the two markers
- albeit with an insertion loss of what appeared to be 21dB. I then
checked the 'Hint' button, and found that I had it spot on. Do I get the
cigar?
--
Ian

In article , JohnT
wrote:

"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...
In article , JohnT
wrote:

"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...
The UK networks got into a bidding frenzy in the 3G spectrum
auction, this was declared a triumph for Gordon Brown's treasury,
but the cost crippled the networks profits for years, leading to
reduced corporation tax from them, also reduced income tax as they
laid-off thousands of staff ...

Is that the excuse Vodaphone have trotted out for dodging so much
tax?

There isn't a Company named Vodaphone. If you mean Vodafone can you
indicate your source of the claim that they have dodged tax?

Don't rely on my comments, go direct to the sources (plural). Read
Private Eye over recent years and/or check the records of the relevant
Parliament Committee more recently when they examined the behaviour of
the company and how HMRC has dealt with the issues. I long ago lost
track of how often this has been discussed in such places.

I must admit I'm surprised that there is anyone left in the UK who
*hasn't* heard of this matter. But read PE if you want to monitor
developments and find out the full details - or at least as full as
currently disclosed.


I quite like Ian Hislop on HIGNFY, but I regard him as an entertainer
rather than as a fount of knowlege. FWIW, I find you quite entertaining
too.

Private Eye != Hislop returns TRUE

Ian Hislop != Parliament Committee also returns TRUE

This has been covered in many places on many occasions. So I'm afraid I
have no idea why it has passed you by.

Slainte,

Jim

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Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html

On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 17:32:18 -0000, "JohnT"
wrote:


"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...
In article , JohnT
wrote:

"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...
The UK networks got into a bidding frenzy in the 3G spectrum auction,
this was declared a triumph for Gordon Brown's treasury, but the cost
crippled the networks profits for years, leading to reduced
corporation tax from them, also reduced income tax as they laid-off
thousands of staff ...

Is that the excuse Vodaphone have trotted out for dodging so much tax?

There isn't a Company named Vodaphone. If you mean Vodafone can you
indicate your source of the claim that they have dodged tax?

Don't rely on my comments, go direct to the sources (plural). Read Private
Eye over recent years and/or check the records of the relevant Parliament
Committee more recently when they examined the behaviour of the company
and how HMRC has dealt with the issues. I long ago lost track of how often
this has been discussed in such places.

I must admit I'm surprised that there is anyone left in the UK who
*hasn't*
heard of this matter. But read PE if you want to monitor developments and
find out the full details - or at least as full as currently disclosed.


I quite like Ian Hislop on HIGNFY, but I regard him as an entertainer rather
than as a fount of knowlege. FWIW, I find you quite entertaining too.

Although PE does publicise things that the other media ignore. To my
mind this can be useful service.

--
(\__/) M.
(='.'=) If a man stands in a forest and no woman is around
(")_(") is he still wrong?

On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 18:42:18 -0000, "Robin" wrote:

and Parliament's public accounts committee published report is not to
be trusted?

I no longer trust the PAC reports since Margaret Hodge started using the
PAC as if it were her personal publicity machine. And FWIW senior
officials no longer fear the PAC in the way they did for many years,
precisely because of her grandstanding, and it is expected that somone
(probably somone near retirement) will walk out on her if she continues
to make totally false accusations (eg that officials - other than
Accounbting Officers - are accountable to Parliament).

More generally, care to name any FTSE company based in the UK which has
not "dodged tax"?

For that matter, is everyone with an ISA a "tax dodger"?

There's different levels of tax dodging. There's tax avoidance where
you legally exploit loopholes to avoid tax and there's tax evasion
which is illegal. Vodafone tried the latter, failed, but then was let
off anyway.
--
(\__/) M.
(='.'=) If a man stands in a forest and no woman is around
(")_(") is he still wrong?

In article , Martin
wrote:
On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 09:52:53 +0000, Mark
wrote:


Although PE does publicise things that the other media ignore. To my
mind this can be useful service.

It certainly exposes a lot of corruption, both local and national.

Indeed.

I've been reading PE for many years. One thing has become clear as a
pattern over that time.

That in case after case PE uncovers and then repeatedly reports more detail
about a serious example of corruption, malpractice, illegallity, etc, and
goes on exposing this for months or sometimes *years* before the rest of
the media summon up the bottle to also mention the issues.

And that often a newspaper or the BBC will later 'reveal' as a if some kind
of 'scoop' or 'exclusive investigation' what PE subscribers have been
reading about for years.

Examples range from ones like Vodafone and HMRC, defence 'export deals',
Westminster council of old jerrymandering, and some of the horrifying
examples of bad behaviour inside the NHS that have caused many deaths.

It also contains a load of fairly daft 'satire' that 'no one would take
this [magazine] seriously, m'lud'. ahem Which can also be quite useful in
court. ;-

Slainte,

Jim

--
Please use the address on the audiomisc page if you wish to email me.
Electronics http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scot...o/electron.htm
Armstrong Audio http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong/armstrong.html
Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html

Have a bit of fun with this simulation. Tune up the Inductive Output
Tube in a typical Digital TV Transmitter...


http://www.thomson-broadcast-csg.com...simulator.html

I didn't read the instructions, but with a couple of minutes' work, I
got a nice flat, symmetrical, bandpass response between the two markers
- albeit with an insertion loss of what appeared to be 21dB. I then
checked the 'Hint' button, and found that I had it spot on. Do I get the
cigar?


Can't encourage you to harm your health now can we;?..


You might get a job with Arquiva as a reward;!...
--
Tony Sayer