Solar flare threatens to disrupt Earth's communications and power

On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 14:19:36 +0100
Bill Wright wrote:
No, ******** to that. We've got where we are by having stable democratic
nations that have provided an environment for science and technology and
efficient production.

Not initially. The industrial revolution was a classic tale of worker
exploitation. Thats why the unions were created.

Taking Africa as an example, they are rich in natural resources, yet
despite all the help given by the west are still not operating
efficiently enough to feed and clothe their people properly. Why this is
I can't imagine, but in any case it's their own fault so there's no
reason we should be levelled down.

There are good arguments that the various european powers left the place
in a bit of a mess socially and politically when they legged it but frankly
they've had more than long enough to sort themselves out so I tend to agree.

The third world has too many babies. They want to learn how to use
rubber johnnies like we had to. If they kept their populations stable
for a few generations and spend more time on generating wealth instead
of having little wars they'd be a lot better off.

Apparently educating women is one of the best ways to bring down birth
rates. But lets not forget the number of people in the UK who seem to think
having 5 kids is something to boast about.

What will probably happen eventually is that by their sheer numbers they
will present us with a serious and obvious threat.

Its already started. Witness the number of refugees trying to enter italy
by boat. We'll probably have another few deacdes of simpering liberals bleating
on about human rights and the duty of the rich west to help asylum seekers
blah fscking blah, but at some point reality will hit home even with those
brainwashed morons. Though I suspect it might be too late by then.

B2003

lessgovt wrote:
Paul Ratcliffe wrote:

Do you ever see this intelligently debated in the mass media?
Of course not, much like the problem of global over-population.
That is the root cause of almost every current woe and it is only
going to get worse.
It needs to be tackled, sooner rather than later, but no-one seems
to want to.

A fair way to control population is to stop
suppressing influenza. Stop making flu vaccines
and stop killing infected animals.

No, that's inefficient because you have all the costs of bringing up the
kids then they drop dead before you can get any work out of them. That
upsets the mothers as well sometimes, so they might have a day or two
off work, making things worse. Much better idea is to make all the men
in Africa and such places use rubber johnnies every time they have sex.
Any that refuse, just cut their knobs off. The rest will soon comply.

Bill

Richard Tobin wrote:
In article , Rick wrote:

I think it was an American politician who said something along the lines of,
'that maybe we spend far too much time trying to legislate against Darwinism
for our own good'..

Yes, American politicians are known for their stupidity.

In that case why are they so much richer than us?

Bill

On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 08:06:56 +0100
Bruce wrote:

Davey wrote:
J G Miller wrote:
PS Have you booked your ticket on the next NASA flight to Mars
in November?
http://www.dawn.COM/2011/04/04/after-delay-nasa-preparing-mars-rover-for-launch.html
If this flight is delayed, it will be another 2 years before they
can try to launch again, because of the orbital paths.


No, I have already owned a Rover, so don't need to ride another one!


A Rover? Nothing is more fun than a Beagle 2 ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beagle_2


A certified failure, if ever there was one.
Oh well. I'll watch NASA heading to Mars from the comfort of my
armchair. Meanwhile, we get some spectacular sightings of the ISS now
we live in the countryside.
--
Davey.

Op vrijdag, 10 juni, 2011, 11:24:02 +0200, HwH schreef:

Yes, politicians are known for their 'stupidity'.

A good example being Frank Ignace Georgette Vandenbroucke.

He claimed that when assigned the task of taking care of the BEF 2 million
received by the Socialistische Partij in 1988 as bribes from Augusta,
the Italian helicopter manufacturer, he requested to "have the money burned."

On 6/10/11 5:06 PM, J G Miller wrote:
Op vrijdag, 10 juni, 2011, 11:24:02 +0200, HwH schreef:

Yes, politicians are known for their 'stupidity'.

A good example being Frank Ignace Georgette Vandenbroucke.

He claimed that when assigned the task of taking care of the BEF 2 million
received by the Socialistische Partij in 1988 as bribes from Augusta,
the Italian helicopter manufacturer, he requested to "have the money burned."

:-) Of course the idea of a charity destination didn't dawn upon him.

gr, hwh

In article ,
Peter wrote:

Is tidal energy solar? I thought it was lunar based.

Both -the gravitational effects of both the sun & moon create our
tides

Which you can see in the difference between spring and neap tides,
when the solar and lunar influences combine and cancel respectively.
Without the moon our tides would be about a quarter as big, and at
the same time every day.

(But as someone else has pointed out, the energy dissipated by the
tides is really the earth's rotational energy. This is slowing the
earth's rotation by a few seconds per day every million years.)

-- Richard

In article , brightside S9
wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 10:13:13 +0100 (BST), "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:


Ignoring the power / energy for the moment, your calculation is wrong.

quote Surface area of the earth 5.1^14 m^2 divide 2 (only 50% is lit at
a time) = 2.55^14 m^2 say 500W/m^2 (on average) = 1.275^14kW =
12,750,000 Terra Watts. end quote

Afraid I've come late to this 'discussion'. Where did that 'surface area'
value come from? Should you not be using the projected collecting area?
i.e. pi x r^2 ?

....and why do people keep writing 'Terra Watts', is it a deliberate pun?
;-

Slainte,

Jim

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d wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 14:19:36 +0100
Bill Wright wrote:
No, ******** to that. We've got where we are by having stable democratic
nations that have provided an environment for science and technology and
efficient production.

Not initially. The industrial revolution was a classic tale of worker
exploitation. Thats why the unions were created.
No-one forced the working classes to leave the fields and go down the
mines. They did it because it gave them a better life. They saw it as a
means of betterment. The poverty of the pre-industrial rural masses was
far worse than the conditions after the industrial revolution.


Taking Africa as an example, they are rich in natural resources, yet
despite all the help given by the west are still not operating
efficiently enough to feed and clothe their people properly. Why this is
I can't imagine, but in any case it's their own fault so there's no
reason we should be levelled down.

There are good arguments that the various european powers left the place
in a bit of a mess socially and politically when they legged it but frankly
they've had more than long enough to sort themselves out so I tend to agree.
Why is it that they don't seem to be able to operate stable democracies?
Is it a racial characteristics issue, or merely that they have no
tradition of stability and society? I know the former possibility can't
be discussed thanks to PC fascism but a few free thinkers like myself
are prepared to consider such ideas.

#The Indians seem to manage quite well in that respect, yet they too
don't seem to be able to build up the same levels of wealth as the west.


The third world has too many babies. They want to learn how to use
rubber johnnies like we had to. If they kept their populations stable
for a few generations and spend more time on generating wealth instead
of having little wars they'd be a lot better off.

Apparently educating women is one of the best ways to bring down birth
rates. But lets not forget the number of people in the UK who seem to think
having 5 kids is something to boast about.
Yes, but they are nearly all immigrants remember. The birth rate per
fertile woman in the indigenous people of the UK is very low. From the
Telegraph:
A baby boom among immigrant families is driving the population to a
record high,
government figures will show this week.
The figures, from the Office for National Statistics, will reveal that
Britain's highest
birth rates are in the Pakistani and Bangladeshi communities, both
predominantly Muslim.
The birth rate among women born in Pakistan but living in the UK is
three times higher than
that among British-born women, the figures will show.

(this of course is why some of us are worried about the future of the UK).

Bill

Richard Tobin wrote:

Which you can see in the difference between spring and neap tides,
when the solar and lunar influences combine and cancel respectively.
Without the moon our tides would be about a quarter as big, and at
the same time every day.

Since the moon is about the same size as the sun when viewed from the
earth, surely the two bodies should exert the same gravitational forces
on the earth.


(But as someone else has pointed out, the energy dissipated by the
tides is really the earth's rotational energy. This is slowing the
earth's rotation by a few seconds per day every million years.)

Well why do we bother with tidal flow power generation then? Why not go
to the source? Drive a shaft into the earth at the north pole and use
its rotation to power a huge dynamo. It's so obvious. It would only mean
tipping the dynamo on end so its axle was vertical. Or you could use
gears even.

Bill