BBC One HD in Scotland

On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 19:21:33 +0100, Scott
wrote:

On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 17:03:21 +0100, Zathras
wrote:

On Thu, 7 Apr 2011 12:07:20 +0000 (UTC), J G Miller
wrote:

On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 10:52:27 +0100, Zathras wrote:

when (if) Manchester comes fully on-stream is an interesting question
though.

Salford.

Yes..as I said, Manchester.

I think you will find equating Salford with Manchester is about as
popular as claiming Scotland is part of England :-)

The boundary between Scotland and England is a bit clearer than the
invisible boundary between Salford and Manchester. It's about 3K from
the town centre. Also, I'd suggest that Manchester (whether 'Greater'
or not) is, in reality, bounded by the M60 (give or take). Saying
Salford isn't Manchester is like saying Islington isn't London. Even a
cursory glance at Google maps shows the Manchester blob reality.
Salford isn't even close to the outskirts of Manchester where there
might have been some proper debate on the matter.

I love tribal Ryanair-like snobbery. I also love the way a city grows
and swamps the surrounding areas while people try and cling to
separate local identities.

Up here we have the other side of the coin like 'Glasgow' Airport
(which isn't even in *Greater* Glasgow, yet) but for sheer nonsense,
it's difficult to beat Glasgow Prestwick Airport. Presumably somebody
thinks that Scotland is Glasgow or that anyone flying into Scotland is
too stupid to work out the most basic geography of the land. Either
way, there's not even consistency. If there were, we'd have Glasgow
Paisley Airport.

I'm not interested in popular support on this as I'm not a democracy.
;-)

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Z

On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 18:12:46 +0100, Bill Wright
wrote:

Zathras wrote:
On Thu, 7 Apr 2011 12:05:28 +0000 (UTC), J G Miller
wrote:

On Thursday, April 7th, 2011 at 11:38:58h +0100, Zathras wrote:

Freeview is always going to be bandwidth restricted and this will limit
the ability to do this until Rupert takes over the world and all have
sat dishes installed.
Please do not add to the notion that having a satellite dish is equivalent
to having a subscription to B$kyB!

Why? Are you saying there are vast numbers of non-Sky satellite TV
users? All (tiny exaggeration) the folks round here have Sky for the
football.

Judging from the number of Freesat boxes we sell I'd say there was a
hell of a lot of non-Sky satellite viewers. We aren't all sheep you know.

Are you saying it's comparable to the number of Sky installations
though? My experience (admittedly more limited than yours) is that it
isn't.

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Z

On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 09:20:15 +0100, Roderick Stewart
wrote:

In article , Bill Wright wrote:
You could be able to get a glimmer of the meaning as you listen to
someone, without having the confidence to speak (in any real sense) the
language.

Yes, normally this works for me, but I was completely reliant on the
subtitles for that Danish thriller on BBC4. The dialogue just sounded to
me as if the tape was being played backwards.

Try The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo without subtitles. I thought it
sounded like Gaelic at times except there were fewer English words
that stood out like a sore thumb. I couldn't have stood a chance of
understanding it without the subtitles.

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Z

Roderick Stewart wrote:

No, I think they just talk like that. They're Danish after all. I don't think
it was really being played backwards. I mean, somebody got killed at the
beginning and they found out who did it at the end. That'd the usual way with
thrillers, isn't it?

Rod.

I used to be in a film club and on one occasion the plot was rather
enigmatic. Afterwards opinion was divided. A masterpiece? Or had they
shown the reels in the wrong order?

The film, by the way, was that one about circus freaks, made in the
1930s. Which, when I used to go to the film club, was recent.

Bill

Zathras wrote:

Up here we have the other side of the coin like 'Glasgow' Airport
(which isn't even in *Greater* Glasgow, yet) but for sheer nonsense,
it's difficult to beat Glasgow Prestwick Airport. Presumably somebody
thinks that Scotland is Glasgow or that anyone flying into Scotland is
too stupid to work out the most basic geography of the land. Either
way, there's not even consistency. If there were, we'd have Glasgow
Paisley Airport.

We were appalled when they built an airport at Doncaster and called it
'Robin Hood'. We aren't in Sherwood Forest or Notts, and Robin Hood has
no place in local history. No-one has any idea where Robin Hood Airport is.

Bill

Zathras wrote:

Why? Are you saying there are vast numbers of non-Sky satellite TV
users? All (tiny exaggeration) the folks round here have Sky for the
football.

Judging from the number of Freesat boxes we sell I'd say there was a
hell of a lot of non-Sky satellite viewers. We aren't all sheep you know.

Are you saying it's comparable to the number of Sky installations
though? My experience (admittedly more limited than yours) is that it
isn't.
No I'm not saying that. Sky claims about ten times as many subscribers
as there are Freesat viewers. Freesat keeps selling though, and once
people have it they seem to keep it.

Bill

On Fri, 08 Apr 2011 10:56:50 +0100, Zathras
wrote:

The boundary between Scotland and England is a bit clearer than the
invisible boundary between Salford and Manchester. It's about 3K from
the town centre. Also, I'd suggest that Manchester (whether 'Greater'
or not) is, in reality, bounded by the M60 (give or take). Saying
Salford isn't Manchester is like saying Islington isn't London.

The City of Salford is a metropolitan borough within the metropolitan
county of Greater Manchester. The City of Manchester is also a
metropolitan borough within the metropolitan county of Greater
Manchester.

The boundary between the two cities is the River Irwell. The river is
much closer to Manchester City centre than 3 kilometers.

I lived in Manchester in the 1960s. At that time the Greater Manchester
County had not been invented. The local governments of Manchester and
Salford ran their own separate public bus services. The buses did not
enter one another's territories. I recall that I didn't need to walk for
many minutes from Manchester City centre to be able to see Salford
buses.

Of course, Manchester City Centre is not at the geographical centre of
the borough.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map_of_Manchester.png


--
Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

Peter Duncanson wrote:

: I lived in Manchester in the 1960s. At that time the Greater Manchester
: County had not been invented. The local governments of Manchester and
: Salford ran their own separate public bus services. The buses did not
: enter one another's territories. I recall that I didn't need to walk for
: many minutes from Manchester City centre to be able to see Salford
: buses.

I lived in Manchester in the 70's and, before Greater Manchester was invented
the buses I used belonged to SELNEC (South East Lancashire/ North East
Cheshire bus company). I don't know if this included Salford as I was not
often there!

In message , Bill Wright
writes
Zathras wrote:

Up here we have the other side of the coin like 'Glasgow' Airport
(which isn't even in *Greater* Glasgow, yet) but for sheer nonsense,
it's difficult to beat Glasgow Prestwick Airport. Presumably somebody
thinks that Scotland is Glasgow or that anyone flying into Scotland is
too stupid to work out the most basic geography of the land. Either
way, there's not even consistency. If there were, we'd have Glasgow
Paisley Airport.

We were appalled when they built an airport at Doncaster and called it
'Robin Hood'. We aren't in Sherwood Forest or Notts, and Robin Hood has
no place in local history. No-one has any idea where Robin Hood Airport
is.

Bill

I think it's in Doncaster.
:¬)
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Ian

Zathras wrote:
: Up here we have the other side of the coin like 'Glasgow' Airport
: (which isn't even in *Greater* Glasgow, yet) but for sheer nonsense,
: it's difficult to beat Glasgow Prestwick Airport.

I think this is beatable! Many airports in the south-east of England have
been relabelled as "London (xxxx) Airport". The most recent (and stupidest!)
example is the (tiny!) "London (Oxford) Airport". It isn't even at all
easy to get to Oxford City Centre from the airport and why anyone wanting
to go to London would want to land there is beyond most people!