Coronation St Live episode

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
: In article ,
: Ian Jelf wrote:
: The scenes where Sally Webster was comforting the other girl
were
: unintelligible in parts. Had that been a normal recording
they'd have been
: ADR'd.
:
: I'm sure you're right. However, what we actually saw was -
I would
: contend - all the more realistic for its unintelligibility!
:
: Right. It's a view, I suppose. Doubt the actors involved played
it that
: way, though.
:

Then that scene worked even better than intended! :~)

: I might be prejudiced, but I reckon the last live 'Bill' was
the best
: live drama shown in recent years.
:
: Didn't see that. Used to love The Bill but gave up a long
time ago
: when it started focusing on personal relationships rather the
police
: work which made it so attractive to me.
:
: It had somewhat moved away from the time when they shagged or
murdered one
: another buy the time of the second live one. ;-) But never got
close to
: the feel of the original.
:

But it was also moved away from its traditional time-slot, so
that the writers could - IIRC - 'do things that the earlier slot
wouldn't allow' [1], I thought at the time that ITV management
were attempting to kill off "The Bill" when its time-slot was
changed and I feel that view was proved correct.

[1] one has to ask if Corrie would/could still work/survive if it
was moved to a post 9pm watershed slot for a similar rational, my
point being, if one alienates a whole swath of the audience by
changing the time-slot, the basic premise of the drama or (as
"The Bill" did) both the programme has to attract as many new
viewers - which in such a multi TV channel environment is not at
all easy or certain
--
Regards, Jerry.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
snip
:
: Just to add, I gave up on Corrie when they started to
concentrate on eye
: candy rather than acting, and never went back to it. The live
one was the
: first I've watched in many years. And didn't really see much to
make me
: change my mind.
:

"Hilda Ogden" seems to agree with you Dave (many any
line-warp)!...

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/soaps/s3...-identity.html

[extracted quotes]
"The actress, who played Hilda Ogden until 1987, hit out
at the show's current characters for lacking the depth of
the Street's earlier residents [..//..] You look at the people
in it - the young ones particularly - and hardly any have got
a job and those who have are paid buttons. [..//..] And yet
you never see them in the same clothes twice. They've got
all the latest fashions, the make-up, the hairdos"
[/quotes]
--
Regards, Jerry.

In article ,
Jerry wrote:
: It had somewhat moved away from the time when they shagged or
murdered one
: another buy the time of the second live one. ;-) But never got
close to
: the feel of the original.
:

But it was also moved away from its traditional time-slot, so
that the writers could - IIRC - 'do things that the earlier slot
wouldn't allow' [1], I thought at the time that ITV management
were attempting to kill off "The Bill" when its time-slot was
changed and I feel that view was proved correct.

As did pretty well everyone who worked on it. Had it been moved at the
start of a new contract it might have been ITV hoping that would succeed.

[1] one has to ask if Corrie would/could still work/survive if it
was moved to a post 9pm watershed slot for a similar rational, my
point being, if one alienates a whole swath of the audience by
changing the time-slot, the basic premise of the drama or (as
"The Bill" did) both the programme has to attract as many new
viewers - which in such a multi TV channel environment is not at
all easy or certain

If you watch any of the 'similar' US offerings - like say Law and Order -
they start off with a basic decent story. Something the team of writers on
The Bill didn't seem able to do. I've no idea why. It's a fundamental of
story telling - which is what the 9 o'clock drama slot was usually about.
But then I'm old and know nothing. ;-)

--
*Why is the man who invests all your money called a broker?

Dave Plowman London SW
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"Ian Jelf" wrote in message ...
In message , J G Miller writes
On Sat, 11 Dec 2010 22:27:10 +0000, Ian Jelf wrote:

and Granada was once more the greatest television station in the world.

Granada has not been a television station since November 2008 when it
"lost" its licence, which was transferred to ITV Broadcasting Limited.

Coronation Street has been an ITV Studios Production for at least 2 (?)
years.

Yes, I realise that. I was just trying to make the point that, for an hour or so of fine technical and artistic achievement
"Granada" (or what it stood for) felt like it was back.

My feelings exactly. SWMBO informs me that The Queen has sent a message
of condole...
....er I mean congratulations to the cast.

--
Graham.

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On Monday, December 13th, 2010 at 11:36:55h +0000, Jerry Mapson explained:

"Hilda Ogden" seems to agree with you Dave (many any line-warp)!...

Always best to go to the source

http://www.thesun.co.UK/sol/homepage/showbiz/tv/soaps/3268831/Hilda-Ogden-slams-Corrie.html

rather than a third rate celebrity discussion forum site (Digital$py), eh?

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Jerry wrote:
: It had somewhat moved away from the time when they shagged or
murdered one
: another buy the time of the second live one. ;-) But never got
close to
: the feel of the original.
:

But it was also moved away from its traditional time-slot, so
that the writers could - IIRC - 'do things that the earlier slot
wouldn't allow' [1], I thought at the time that ITV management
were attempting to kill off "The Bill" when its time-slot was
changed and I feel that view was proved correct.

The Bill in its original incarnation (the spin-off from the one-off play
"Woodentop") was good, if slightly dated to modern eyes. It had good story
lines which centred mainly around the officers' *professional* (not
personal/relationship) lives.

Then it switched to the half-hour twice-a-week format and I thought it would
go downhill but it survived for many year like that: good non-intrusive
production values and good police-led stories. Towards the end of that phase
they started f*cking around with picture quality (blown-out highlights,
filmic effect) etc which was intrusive but the writing was still good.

Finally they moved to the later time slot which should have allowed grittier
stories showing the more violent side of modern policing, but instead it was
used to allow a shift to the personal side of the officers' lives, in and
out of uniform, with more "adult themes". That's when The Bill jumped a
whole shoal of sharks in one leap :-(

"Graham." wrote in message
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I was rather expecting someone would start a thread in one or other of
these technical
groups but as one hasn't been forthcoming, here is a rare x-post by me.

I'm not a soap fan or even a TV fan but I watched the live episode simply
because it was live.
If this was indeed done live it must rank as the best live dramas in UK TV
history.
Frankly it was so good, practically flawless, that I somehow doubt that
such a technical complex production could have been
executed in real-time. Anyone know how it was really done?

Who cares? Nobody will remember it in the future if it was that perfect but
I'll bet many regular posters remember the live Z-cars episode where Brian
Blessed (if memory serves) handed something through the "windscreen" of the
car (the glass had been removed to avoid reflections and glare).

Paul DS,

"J G Miller" wrote in message
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: On Monday, December 13th, 2010 at 11:36:55h +0000, Jerry Mapson
explained:
:
: "Hilda Ogden" seems to agree with you Dave (many any
line-warp)!...
:
: Always best to go to the source
:
: snippedw.the[tits-and-bums]sun.co.UK/snipped
:
: rather than a third rate celebrity discussion forum site
(Digital$py), eh?

Why, did DS get it wrong, and the DS URL wasn't from their forums
anyway (never mind the fact that DS is a little less 'intrusive'
on ones computer than the Murdoch web**** you cite)?
--
Regards, Jerry.

"Mortimer" wrote in message
o.uk...

[ re last years of "The Bill" ]
snip
:
: Finally they moved to the later time slot which should have
allowed grittier
: stories showing the more violent side of modern policing,

But which decent script writing they could have shown that even
at the earlier times, you don't need to see "blood 'n' guts" (or
what ever) for the appropriate audience to visualise such drama -
people like Hitchcock understood this, why can't current
writers?...
--
Regards, Jerry.

"Jerry" wrote in message ...

"Mortimer" wrote in message
o.uk...

[ re last years of "The Bill" ]
snip
:
: Finally they moved to the later time slot which should have
allowed grittier
: stories showing the more violent side of modern policing,

But which decent script writing they could have shown that even
at the earlier times, you don't need to see "blood 'n' guts" (or
what ever) for the appropriate audience to visualise such drama -
people like Hitchcock understood this, why can't current
writers?...

You mean like Janet Lee's character bleeding to death naked in the shower?

A but racy pre-watershed don't you think?

--
Graham.

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