Excellent article on BBC HD picture quality issue

Maurice wrote:
On Dec 17, 9:08 am, Mark Carver wrote:

I'm sure they were, because at that stage no idiot producer has got hold
of the images, chucked away every other field, added grain, and stuffed
them through a filter to make them look 'arty'.


You watch "Strictly Come Dancing" don't you.

No, my wife does, I just 'observe' the transmission technically.
Good example though, live portions look good, pre-recorded sections look crap.


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jamie powell wrote:
"DAB sounds worse than FM" wrote in message
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I totally disagree. I think there will be some people who're knowledgable
about picture quality, so what you say doesn't apply to them. Then there
will be people who thought to themselves "this doesn't look as good as
it used to do" but wouldn't know why - until they stumbled across the
BBC Internet blogs discussing it.

Only a minority have an accurate perception of picture/sound quality.
You obviously have to pretend otherwise though, in order to justify your
little DAB "campaign".


Lots of people aren't happy with the sound quality on DAB, just like a lot
of people aren't happy about the reduction in quality on the BBC HD channel.
Trying to talk the issue down won't actually alter this.


This is a good example of why I don't believe that you're a 19/20 years
old student. Why would you "recall no complaints" being made in 1999 if
you were only 9 years old? 9 year old kids boys play with Action Man or
similar. They do not know anything about TV picture quality, let alone
the number of complaints the BBC will have received about it.

You have no idea... I was a really weird kid.


Pure ********. You've been sussed, Dave.


Sorry, but you've come out with a load of different things that simply
don't stack up. You are Dave the Gasman from Grimsby, and I claim my
five pounds.

I thought we'd established my true identity already - I am Bill Wright's
alter ego - the one and only outlet for his years of repressed
homosexuality, and a means of atonement for the social persecution he
feared so much in his youth.


More diversionary ********.


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"DAB sounds worse than FM" wrote in message
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Lots of people aren't happy with the sound quality on DAB, just like a lot of
people aren't happy about the reduction in quality on the BBC HD channel.
Trying to talk the issue down won't actually alter this.

Oh really, is that so...
What about SD television quality then - 56% of UK households now have a
flatscreen HD-Ready TV, but 91% of UK households have neither HDTV nor Blu-Ray
sources.

So where's the spate of complaints regarding, say, Freeview's picture quality?
Freeview users are lucky if the channel they're watching broadcasts at 2Mbps,
and yet the platform is still very popular. Sky is little better.





This is a good example of why I don't believe that you're a 19/20 years
old student. Why would you "recall no complaints" being made in 1999 if
you were only 9 years old? 9 year old kids boys play with Action Man or
similar. They do not know anything about TV picture quality, let alone
the number of complaints the BBC will have received about it.

You have no idea... I was a really weird kid.


Pure ********. You've been sussed, Dave.


Sorry, but you've come out with a load of different things that simply
don't stack up. You are Dave the Gasman from Grimsby, and I claim my
five pounds.

I thought we'd established my true identity already - I am Bill Wright's
alter ego - the one and only outlet for his years of repressed
homosexuality, and a means of atonement for the social persecution he
feared so much in his youth.


More diversionary ********.

Okay then ... *clears throat* ... I am Dave the Gasman from Grimsby.

Happy?

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jamie powell wrote:
You have no idea... I was a really weird kid.

What do you mean - was?

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"jamie powell" wrote in message
...

What about SD television quality then - 56% of UK households now have a
flatscreen HD-Ready TV, but 91% of UK households have neither HDTV nor
Blu-Ray sources.

So where's the spate of complaints regarding, say, Freeview's picture
quality?
Freeview users are lucky if the channel they're watching broadcasts at
2Mbps, and yet the platform is still very popular. Sky is little better.


A typical Joe Public thinks he is seeing HD TV.

Of course a lot of DVD players upscale.
And in my case my built in Freesat tuner is upscaling, well it gives a
better picture than Freeview.

Regards
David

jamie powell wrote:
"DAB sounds worse than FM" wrote in message
...

Lots of people aren't happy with the sound quality on DAB, just like a
lot of people aren't happy about the reduction in quality on the BBC HD
channel. Trying to talk the issue down won't actually alter this.

Oh really, is that so...
What about SD television quality then - 56% of UK households now have a
flatscreen HD-Ready TV, but 91% of UK households have neither HDTV nor
Blu-Ray sources.

So where's the spate of complaints regarding, say, Freeview's picture
quality? Freeview users are lucky if the channel they're watching
broadcasts at 2Mbps, and yet the platform is still very popular. Sky is
little better.


We're talking about HD quality, which people expect to be better than SD.

Try to keep up at the back.


This is a good example of why I don't believe that you're a 19/20 years
old student. Why would you "recall no complaints" being made in 1999 if
you were only 9 years old? 9 year old kids boys play with Action Man or
similar. They do not know anything about TV picture quality, let alone
the number of complaints the BBC will have received about it.

You have no idea... I was a really weird kid.


Pure ********. You've been sussed, Dave.


Sorry, but you've come out with a load of different things that simply
don't stack up. You are Dave the Gasman from Grimsby, and I claim my
five pounds.

I thought we'd established my true identity already - I am Bill Wright's
alter ego - the one and only outlet for his years of repressed
homosexuality, and a means of atonement for the social persecution he
feared so much in his youth.


More diversionary ********.

Okay then ... *clears throat* ... I am Dave the Gasman from Grimsby.

Happy?


Finally. Yes, thank you, Dave.


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David wrote:


"jamie powell" wrote in message
...

What about SD television quality then - 56% of UK households now have a
flatscreen HD-Ready TV, but 91% of UK households have neither HDTV nor
Blu-Ray sources.

So where's the spate of complaints regarding, say, Freeview's picture
quality?
Freeview users are lucky if the channel they're watching broadcasts at
2Mbps, and yet the platform is still very popular. Sky is little better.


A typical Joe Public thinks he is seeing HD TV.

and when stereo "music centres" were first sold many people assumed that
the second loudspeaker was for an extension in another room.

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"DAB sounds worse than FM" wrote in message
...

So where's the spate of complaints regarding, say, Freeview's picture
quality? Freeview users are lucky if the channel they're watching
broadcasts at 2Mbps, and yet the platform is still very popular. Sky is
little better.


We're talking about HD quality, which people expect to be better than SD.

Try to keep up at the back.

Nah, we were talking about the public's perceptions of technical quality in
general, which is why you mentioned DAB as well.

SD could look far, far better than it does on DVB, not that you'd know of
course.

My original point though, was that the people ranting and raving on the BBC
forums are, by enlarge, a massive bunch of fat-fingered, hypocritical ****wits
who'll rant on any issue they can find, purely because they enjoy the little
rush of power they get each time they hit "Send".

In article , jamie powell
wrote:

"DAB sounds worse than FM" wrote in message
...

So where's the spate of complaints regarding, say, Freeview's picture
quality? Freeview users are lucky if the channel they're watching
broadcasts at 2Mbps, and yet the platform is still very popular. Sky
is little better.


We're talking about HD quality, which people expect to be better than
SD.

Try to keep up at the back.

Nah, we were talking about the public's perceptions of technical quality
in general, which is why you mentioned DAB as well.

SD could look far, far better than it does on DVB, not that you'd know of
course.

My original point though, was that the people ranting and raving on the
BBC forums are, by enlarge, a massive bunch of fat-fingered,
hypocritical ****wits who'll rant on any issue they can find, purely
because they enjoy the little rush of power they get each time they hit
"Send".

ah - all is revealed.

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In article ,
charles wrote:
and when stereo "music centres" were first sold many people assumed that
the second loudspeaker was for an extension in another room.

By the way most position speakers even now it might as well be.

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