BBC Red Button

In article , Peter
Crosland writes
"Kennedy McEwen" wrote in message
...
I see that the BBC trust are currently running an Online Survey about the
BBC Red Button, prior to a review of this "service" next year.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/consul.../bbc-red-butto
n/consultation/intro

Can someone please explain to me what the "Red Button" does that isn't
already performed by the "Text" button?

For me the "BBC Red Button" seems to be a completely superfluous feature
with no user benefit at all, just a rather offensive full intensity DOG
that irritatingly doesn't even stay cleared by applying the less commonly
known "Green Button" feature.


It provides a common link to a variety of services including a digital
replacement for the analogue CEEFAX service and access to various
additional, programs.

So does "Text" and, no surprises, "Text" does the same on all channels
that support additional services, not just Auntie's channels!

Why do we need the "Red button" shoved in our face for what is basically
a text and alternate channel service that can be accessed just as easily
through conventional means.
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On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:20:29 +0100, Kennedy McEwen
wrote:

In article , Peter Duncanson
writes
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:03:02 +0100, Kennedy McEwen
wrote:

I see that the BBC trust are currently running an Online Survey about
the BBC Red Button, prior to a review of this "service" next year.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/consul.../bbc-red-butto
n/consultation/intro

Can someone please explain to me what the "Red Button" does that isn't
already performed by the "Text" button?

For me the "BBC Red Button" seems to be a completely superfluous feature
with no user benefit at all, just a rather offensive full intensity DOG
that irritatingly doesn't even stay cleared by applying the less
commonly known "Green Button" feature.

"BBC Red Button" is the name of the service, not the dog's name.

From the above link:

"BBC Red Button" is the name of the interactive TV services accessed
by pressing the "red" or "text" buttons on your digital remote
control. It is meant to provide continuous and constantly updated
news, information, education and entertainment service for all
digital TV audiences, offering interactive video, audio, pictures
and text. It should support and enhance some BBC TV programmes and
serve as an access point and a means of navigating BBC’s non-linear
TV and radio content.

I am aware its the name of the service, but also one point of access for
the service, but that doesn't justify "Press 'Red'" being continuously
scrawled on the screen when the more common "text" button does exactly
the same thing without needing any graffiti.

The red button doesn't need graffiti either.


--
Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:26:33 +0100, Mark Carver wrote:

Just rename it BBC 5, and be done with all that Red Button
gimmicky to access it (which you don't need anyway, just punch in 301).

Your suggestion cannot and will not be implemented because it is far
too sensible.

And rather than "5", rename it BBC Sports / Events and put things like
F1 and Wimbledon and the Chelsea Flower Show on it so that the schedule
on BBC-1 does not get messed up.

Of course there is a reason why this cannot be currently done, and it
is a political one. The BBC are not allowed to launch a new network
without special dispensation from the BBC Trust and DCMS.

"Kennedy McEwen" wrote in message
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In article , Peter
Crosland writes
"Kennedy McEwen" wrote in message
...
I see that the BBC trust are currently running an Online Survey about the
BBC Red Button, prior to a review of this "service" next year.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/consul.../bbc-red-butto
n/consultation/intro

Can someone please explain to me what the "Red Button" does that isn't
already performed by the "Text" button?

For me the "BBC Red Button" seems to be a completely superfluous feature
with no user benefit at all, just a rather offensive full intensity DOG
that irritatingly doesn't even stay cleared by applying the less
commonly
known "Green Button" feature.


It provides a common link to a variety of services including a digital
replacement for the analogue CEEFAX service and access to various
additional, programs.

So does "Text" and, no surprises, "Text" does the same on all channels
that support additional services, not just Auntie's channels!

Why do we need the "Red button" shoved in our face for what is basically a
text and alternate channel service that can be accessed just as easily
through conventional means.


It seems to be a case of much ado about nothing. The TEXT button and RED
buttons do not act identically on all sets. As for your complaint about the
DOG to get rid of it just press the EXT, BACK or RETURN button depending on
you particular set or box.

Peter Crosland

J G Miller wrote:
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:26:33 +0100, Mark Carver wrote:

Just rename it BBC 5, and be done with all that Red Button
gimmicky to access it (which you don't need anyway, just punch in 301).

Your suggestion cannot and will not be implemented because it is far
too sensible.

And rather than "5", rename it BBC Sports / Events and put things like
F1 and Wimbledon and the Chelsea Flower Show on it so that the schedule
on BBC-1 does not get messed up.

Of course there is a reason why this cannot be currently done, and it
is a political one. The BBC are not allowed to launch a new network
without special dispensation from the BBC Trust and DCMS.

Yes, and I guess that's the loophole by which the current 'BBCi'
channels are permitted, they're not 'channels', they're 'interactive'
services.

Whatever, the BBC Trust, DCMS, and Ofcom all need to have their heads
repeatedly smashed together until some common bloody sense prevails !


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Mark
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But there are plenty of cases when the red button and text do perform
exactly the same function.

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Brian Gregory. (In the UK)

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Brian Gregory [UK] wrote:
But there are plenty of cases when the red button and text do perform
exactly the same function.

I don't think I've encountered a box or receiver where those two buttons
don't perform the same function. A Sky remote in 'Sky Mode' certainly
does, so that's 9 million boxes for starters !


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Mark
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"Mark Carver" wrote in message
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Brian Gregory [UK] wrote:
But there are plenty of cases when the red button and text do perform
exactly the same function.

I don't think I've encountered a box or receiver where those two buttons
don't perform the same function. A Sky remote in 'Sky Mode' certainly
does, so that's 9 million boxes for starters !

Well, I don't know about Sky and Freesat, I only use Freeview.

As I understand it on Freeview the red button can be programmed to do
whatever the broadcaster wants.

The BBC thinks we can't read and need to be told a colour to get to their
text services so as far as I can see they generally program it to do the
same as the text button.

Some of the other broadcasters don't program it to do anything, and you have
to press text to get their text services if they have any.

There are cases when the BBC program it to do other things. For instance
when listening to BBC radio on Freeview.

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Brian Gregory. (In the UK)

To email me remove the letter vee.

In article , Peter Duncanson
writes
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:20:29 +0100, Kennedy McEwen
wrote:

I am aware its the name of the service, but also one point of access for
the service, but that doesn't justify "Press 'Red'" being continuously
scrawled on the screen when the more common "text" button does exactly
the same thing without needing any graffiti.

The red button doesn't need graffiti either.

True, but you get it nevertheless.
--
Kennedy
Yes, Socrates himself is particularly missed;
A lovely little thinker, but a bugger when he's ****ed.
Python Philosophers (replace 'nospam' with 'kennedym' when replying)

In article , Peter
Crosland writes

It seems to be a case of much ado about nothing. The TEXT button and RED
buttons do not act identically on all sets.

Name one that doesn't, for BBC TV!

If you read the first line of text on the page I previously referenced,
even the BBC admit they do exactly the same thing.

As for your complaint about the
DOG to get rid of it just press the EXT, BACK or RETURN button depending on
you particular set or box.

Do you want another go, since none of those 3 work?

Clue: read the 3rd menu item on Page 9990. And it always comes back!
--
Kennedy
Yes, Socrates himself is particularly missed;
A lovely little thinker, but a bugger when he's ****ed.
Python Philosophers (replace 'nospam' with 'kennedym' when replying)