Digital TV turnover, re tune.

Well it is certainly true to say that some of the early ones do now have
problems, but if it retuned the last time OK, then it might not all be lost.
I'd be tempted to try a retune with no aerial assuming there is no clear
etc, and then plug it back in after a reboot and see if it works.

Brian

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"whiskeyomega" wrote in message
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On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 14:22:41 +0100, charles
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In article , whiskeyomega
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probably you haven't "re-tuned" but "added channesl".

Exactly. First you need to remove all of the previously stored
channels - look for something in the menu like 'clear' or 'delete' -
they scan again.

I know you would all like to happily it seems pass this off as female
error but I did retune. I did not add extra channels.
The digibox came up as it always does and asked me to retune. I have done
it three times before because this was a regular thing over the previous
few weeks in my area.

I may not be an expert at anything technical but I can re tune a digi box.
Honest. Besides I was talking to my neighbors today and it seems that
several have had the same problem. Did we all get it wrong then?

Are there any other possibilities as to why these got moved?
As I said it is just curiosity really as they channels are there.

I would also like to know why my one TV managed to do itself happily and
the other retuned onto the 800 numbers - is this because the second set is
old ( ten years) and has a digibox which is also old ? The digibox
concerned was one of the first ever produced and cost a lot of money at
the time.
Thanks.

But its the mystery of these things. It surely cannot be the old cannot
cope with split nits or coding compression standards or any of those as
from her own admission, it coped with the last retune, which was a while
back, OK.

Reminds me of the computer nut down the street whos answer to every fault
on Windows is reformat reinstall.

Brian

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"Woody" wrote in message
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Why has no-one given the correct answer?

It is because the software of the older unit cannot handle the operational
changes that have been made to DTTV. Some boxes stopped working
altogether, others put the BBC channels at and above 800.

It doesn't follow that because the box is not on the list that it should
work. By the OPs own admission it must have been one of the very earliest
DTTV boxes - only just after On-dodgy - so it is very unlikely that it can
handle the changes.

By the same token I have a Pace DT210F which is on the 'will not work'
list but it is working perfectly.

Simple answer - go buy a new box, then only cost about 20 quid for
heaven's sake!


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"charles" wrote in message
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In article ,
whiskeyomega wrote:

"comp.john" wrote in message
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On 2009-10-18, lid wrote:

Do you reckon? When I select automatic scan, an alert says "this will
delete all stored channels! Are you sure?" or somethig similar. (on 3
different boxes, different makes)


Mine does that too ;-) Thats how I know it re tuned but put them on the
wrong numbers. It obviously found something on the original channels
too because they are there even if it says the signal isnt .

I don't think so. If the channels are in their old places, then it hasn't
done a "delete old channels".

But the channels aren't in their old places, thats what I cant work out.
They have all been moved to the 800 numbers and their old places are blank
spaces now.

"Woody" wrote in message
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Why has no-one given the correct answer?

It is because the software of the older unit cannot handle the operational
changes that have been made to DTTV. Some boxes stopped working
altogether, others put the BBC channels at and above 800.

It doesn't follow that because the box is not on the list that it should
work. By the OPs own admission it must have been one of the very earliest
DTTV boxes - only just after On-dodgy - so it is very unlikely that it can
handle the changes.

By the same token I have a Pace DT210F which is on the 'will not work'
list but it is working perfectly.

Simple answer - go buy a new box, then only cost about 20 quid for
heaven's sake!


Thank you for that but I dont see the need to buy a new box . The thing
still works , its just put the channels in a different place . I can press
buttons for 80 and something as easily as I can press 21 or 22.

It was a very early box, but I have always found it more reliable and more
efficient than most of the new ones. I do have a newer one ( was working on
a crap NEWER TV which broke a little after a year and is now on the tip)
but I always found that box was constantly asking to be retuned even when it
wasnt necessary. All sorts of things would upset it. So much for new
digiboxes.

But the old audioline may be old, it may not be techie, it may have gone
senile and shoved the channels on 800+ numbers but I still love it and it is
working. ;-). It does the job for the bedroom TV.

"Andy Champ" wrote in message
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Andy Burns wrote:
On 18/10/09 14:42, whiskeyomega wrote:

I know you would all like to happily it seems pass this off as female
error

Up until that reply, how likely would anyone have been to know you are
female?

"I was about to send my OH up into the roof to turn the aerial" was a bit
of a giveaway.

Not in Yorkshire.

Bill

"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
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But its the mystery of these things. It surely cannot be the
old cannot cope with split nits or coding compression
standards or any of those as from her own admission, it coped
with the last retune, which was a while back, OK.

Reminds me of the computer nut down the street whos answer to
every fault on Windows is reformat reinstall.

Brian



I would guess Brian that the root problem is either lack of
memory or insufficient addressing range. That might have
something to do with 800 being as 8 is a whole binary multiple.


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"Woody" wrote in message
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"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
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But its the mystery of these things. It surely cannot be the old cannot
cope with split nits or coding compression standards or any of those as
from her own admission, it coped with the last retune, which was a while
back, OK.

This is the first retune for some time that (a) involved channels that
everyone wants, such as Five and (b) that involved several channels changing
multiplex at the same time. Also a lot more people who already have been
using a STB for some time rather than starting from scratch.

I would guess Brian that the root problem is either lack of memory or
insufficient addressing range. That might have something to do with 800
being as 8 is a whole binary multiple.

The only significance of the 800s is that they are well above the highest
official channel number (728 for heart), so that is where most boxes put
channels they can't put in their correct place.

I still incline to the multiple transmitter issue as being the cause of the
OP's problem.

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My neighbour has my old Ferguson FDT500. On 30th September, many channels
such as BBC1 also moved to 800+. And like you, I'd done a "complete clean"
channel search.

Credit to Ferguson/Thomson - this is a known problem with this model and the
week afterwards they retransmitted their latest firmware for this elderly
box which fixes this problem. Now BBC1 is at 001 etc.

I don't know the ins-and-outs of what aspect of Freeview causes this problem
but I'm betting that your problem set has the same problem as this old
Ferguson. If it's got a serial port method of updating the firmware, and
this is available from the manufacturers, and you are happy with PCs and
serial ports (or know someone who is), try updating the firmware.

Alternatively contact your manufacturer, being ready to quote the firmware
version that you are running and ask if there is updated firmware which
fixes this. If no, then perhaps your TV is not "fit for purpose" and you
can return it for a refund.

Paul DS.

At 07:42:54 Mon, 19 Oct 2009, Woody wrote in article:
I would guess Brian that the root problem is either lack of
memory or insufficient addressing range. That might have
something to do with 800 being as 8 is a whole binary multiple.

Yeah, but 800 in binary is 1100100000 . Your theory would make more
sense if channel numbers were limited to 255 or 65535

"Paul D.Smith" wrote in message
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My neighbour has my old Ferguson FDT500. On 30th September, many channels
such as BBC1 also moved to 800+. And like you, I'd done a "complete
clean" channel search.

Credit to Ferguson/Thomson - this is a known problem with this model and
the week afterwards they retransmitted their latest firmware for this
elderly box which fixes this problem. Now BBC1 is at 001 etc.

I don't know the ins-and-outs of what aspect of Freeview causes this
problem but I'm betting that your problem set has the same problem as this
old Ferguson. If it's got a serial port method of updating the firmware,
and this is available from the manufacturers, and you are happy with PCs
and serial ports (or know someone who is), try updating the firmware.

Alternatively contact your manufacturer, being ready to quote the firmware
version that you are running and ask if there is updated firmware which
fixes this. If no, then perhaps your TV is not "fit for purpose" and you
can return it for a refund.

Paul DS.

Follow-up link...

http://www.freeview.co.uk/_retuneinfo/800s.html