Switch off at the socket?

charles wrote:

No it really happened - but the story only briefly mentions the "back up
diesel generation".


Umm yes: "Various renewable sources distributed around the island have
been incorporated to allow diversity of energy supply, - a 9.9kWp PV
system, three hydro generation systems (6 kW, 6 kW & 100 kW) and a 24
kW wind farm supported by standby diesel generation and batteries to
guarantee continuous availability of power."

To me that reads as a system with 112kW of hydro and 34kW of everything
else put together.

I have no problem with Hydro, except there is a lack of sites. Even
with 30% of "other" they have to have batteries and backup diesel;
hardly practical for an entire nation, even if it's fine for 87 people
on a small island.

Wind is OK up to a point; but it's a small point.

Andy

The Natural Philosopher wrote:
J G Miller wrote:
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 09:43:55 +0100, Jim Lesurf wrote:

The reality is that we are surrounded with large amounts of
materials with very long half lives. Including our own bodies.

Apparently people born in the 1950s have a higher level of carbon-14
in their bodies than the rest of the population.


hasn't killed us yet has it?

Not those who are still alive, no.

In article ,
Andy Champ wrote:
charles wrote:

No it really happened - but the story only briefly mentions the "back up
diesel generation".


Umm yes: "Various renewable sources distributed around the island have
been incorporated to allow diversity of energy supply, - a 9.9kWp PV
system, three hydro generation systems (6 kW, 6 kW & 100 kW) and a 24
kW wind farm supported by standby diesel generation and batteries to
guarantee continuous availability of power."

I ssupect that last "100kW" is morelikely to be 10kW. There isn't that much
water available.


To me that reads as a system with 112kW of hydro and 34kW of everything
else put together.

I have no problem with Hydro, except there is a lack of sites. Even
with 30% of "other" they have to have batteries and backup diesel;
hardly practical for an entire nation, even if it's fine for 87 people
on a small island.

Wind is OK up to a point; but it's a small point.

Andy

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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 21:31:57 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
WE have totally inadequate wind rain and places to generate hydro pwer.

Then why did there used to be a power utility called The North of
Scotland Hydro-Electric Board which generated and distributed electrical
energy to Northern Scotland?

http://en.wikipedia.ORG/wiki/North_of_Scotland_Hydro-Electric_Board

"J G Miller" wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 21:31:57 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
WE have totally inadequate wind rain and places to generate hydro pwer.

Then why did there used to be a power utility called The North of
Scotland Hydro-Electric Board which generated and distributed electrical
energy to Northern Scotland?

We have hydro plants on streams that can generate a couple kilowatts, it
doesn't mean we can supply the whole country with clean power. They are just
inadequate for the job.

In article , [email protected]
wrote:


"J G Miller" wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 21:31:57 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
WE have totally inadequate wind rain and places to generate hydro pwer.

Then why did there used to be a power utility called The North of
Scotland Hydro-Electric Board which generated and distributed
electrical energy to Northern Scotland?

We have hydro plants on streams that can generate a couple kilowatts, it
doesn't mean we can supply the whole country with clean power. They are
just inadequate for the job.

The above organisation, in its current guise of Scottish & Southern Energy,
has just commissioned a new 100MW hydro scheme at Glendoe and hopes to turn
the existing Sloy scheme (at 153MW - the biggest in the country) into a
pumped storage one. so much for "streams generating a couple of kilowatts"

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"charles" wrote in message
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In article , [email protected]
wrote:


"J G Miller" wrote in message
news
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 21:31:57 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
WE have totally inadequate wind rain and places to generate hydro
pwer.

Then why did there used to be a power utility called The North of
Scotland Hydro-Electric Board which generated and distributed
electrical energy to Northern Scotland?

We have hydro plants on streams that can generate a couple kilowatts, it
doesn't mean we can supply the whole country with clean power. They are
just inadequate for the job.

The above organisation, in its current guise of Scottish & Southern
Energy,
has just commissioned a new 100MW hydro scheme at Glendoe and hopes to
turn
the existing Sloy scheme (at 153MW - the biggest in the country) into a
pumped storage one. so much for "streams generating a couple of
kilowatts"


You can not supply enough hydro electric power in the UK for it to solve our
energy problems.
It is inadequate even if you dam every valley.

Rest assured, Goldman Sachs (GS) is determined to make sure that
energy of any form is no longer "cheap".

The same goes for food (agriculture) as they, plus carbon, are the new
super-commodity markets with super-distortions. Enron showed just how
much money could be extracted.

It will be a case of energy prices rise to negate technological
improvements, since energy will be a prime source of taxation in the
anglo-america and much of the world. All disguised as "green" of
course, a repeat of the UFO groups.

On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 22:26:11 +0100, [email protected] wrote:

We have hydro plants on streams that can generate a couple kilowatts

Sounds like Scottish Power generate more than a *couple of kilowatts* to me
from hydro electric schemes --

Lanark Hydro Electric Scheme 17 MW

Galloway Hydro Electric Scheme 106.5 MW

On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 23:06:32 +0100, [email protected] wrote:

You can not supply enough hydro electric power in the UK for it to solve
our energy problems.

Nobody has claimed that hydro electric power generation *alone* can provide
the total electrical energy requirements of the UKofGB&NI.