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  #41  
Old August 24th 09, 08:18 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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In article , Dave Plowman (News)
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How do you suggest funding all this?


With the licence fee I and millions of others pay every year?

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Old August 24th 09, 08:23 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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I keep on reading this - but don't notice it most of the time. Of course
it could depend on the channel you're watching.


Think time of day may also make a difference. I was at home on leave
from work recently and put daytime TV on. Once I'd waded through all
the chav-baiting reality TV and make-millions-on-attic-contents and
property shows I was struck by the advertising. Seems the quality of
the advert is in inverse proportion to the volume it's transmitted at.

I watched the repeat of Lewis followed by Gunrush on ITV last night - so
four hours in all. And it wasn't apparent then.


Maybe it just doesn't bother you. But I don't seem to be alone in not
liking it.

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  #43  
Old August 25th 09, 01:27 AM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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The commercial channels are having enough trouble
keeping their existing services going with the reduced advertising
income they are getting. Paying extra to transmit HD would put them
closer to a visit to the bankruptcy court


This is a bad idea? They have nothing worth watching.


No one is forcing you to. But tell us what you like to watch?

It can be interesting to know what people really want to see when they say
there's nothing worth watching.

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Old August 25th 09, 01:29 AM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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In article ,
Mike Tomlinson wrote:
How do you suggest funding all this?


With the licence fee I and millions of others pay every year?


You want the licence fee to pay for ITV, Ch4 and Ch5?

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Old August 25th 09, 01:34 AM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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In article ,
Mike Tomlinson wrote:
I keep on reading this - but don't notice it most of the time. Of course
it could depend on the channel you're watching.


Think time of day may also make a difference. I was at home on leave
from work recently and put daytime TV on. Once I'd waded through all
the chav-baiting reality TV and make-millions-on-attic-contents and
property shows I was struck by the advertising. Seems the quality of
the advert is in inverse proportion to the volume it's transmitted at.


Most of the daytime shows tend to have the audio mod level high. I'm
surprised you found the ads louder.

I watched the repeat of Lewis followed by Gunrush on ITV last night - so
four hours in all. And it wasn't apparent then.


Maybe it just doesn't bother you.


It would if it was the case. But as I said it wasn't last night.

But I don't seem to be alone in not liking it.


Plenty dislike ads so much they'll find them too loud no matter what. Bit
the same as background music.

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Old August 25th 09, 07:09 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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But tell us what you like to watch?


The news, Top Gear, Panorama, Have I Got News for You, films, University
Challenge, the occasional footy match, Panorama, Newsnight. I enjoyed
Psychoville but missed most episodes as I was away for several weeks.

That's about it really. I'm not one of those people that leaves the TV
on for company. It goes on to watch a specific programme then it goes
off.

It can be interesting to know what people really want to see when they say
there's nothing worth watching.


I bet.

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Old August 25th 09, 07:10 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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How do you suggest funding ITV HD, C4 HD and Five HD?


They can fund themselves with advertising (well, actually they can't,
but what does that say about their management and business model?)

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Old August 25th 09, 07:11 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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You want the licence fee to pay for ITV, Ch4 and Ch5?


No ta. Wouldn't give a **** if they vanished off the face of the earth.

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Old August 25th 09, 07:36 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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In article ,
Mike Tomlinson wrote:
How do you suggest funding ITV HD, C4 HD and Five HD?


They can fund themselves with advertising (well, actually they can't,
but what does that say about their management and business model?)


It says circumstances have changed dramatically in the last few years.
Advertising revenue from the main services would normally subsidise a new
one until it establishes itself. Newspapers etc are in trouble too due to
falling advertising revenue.

The BBC are in rather a privileged position - everyone who wants to watch
off air TV has to fund them - regardless of whether they use any of their
services. So can divert funds to HD or internet services etc with impunity.

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Old August 25th 09, 08:46 PM posted to uk.tech.digital-tv
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In article , Dave Plowman (News)
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It says circumstances have changed dramatically in the last few years.
Advertising revenue from the main services would normally subsidise a new
one until it establishes itself.


I rather think it indicates that independent television has become fat
and complacent and forgotten the maxim of commercial industry: adapt or
die. Right now it looks like the latter. This is a rude wake-up call
for them.

Newspapers etc are in trouble too due to
falling advertising revenue.


_Some_ papers are addressing this with energy and imagination. The
Guardian and Telegraph (both of whose sites I visit every day) are
showing willingness to adapt to the new paradigm.

Murdoch's recent announcement that News Group sites will soon start
charging for content made me laugh out loud. The guy may know how to
run newspapers but he hasn't a ****ing clue about the digital world.
It's going to be interesting to see how this pans out.

The BBC are in rather a privileged position - everyone who wants to watch
off air TV has to fund them


Yes, and this is a bad thing? In general, their output is high quality
and worth every penny of the licence fee. I'm not a BBC acolyte - there
is an enormous amount of waste, and Private Eye can be depended on to
let us know about the waste and idiocy behind the scenes. But we _have_
to protect the BBC. It's ours, it does what it does very, very well and
is respected all over the world. Like the Royal family, it defines
Britain just as much as red telephone boxes and cricket. We'd be mad to
change the BBC in any big way.

I thought Brian Gaff was onto something earlier - those who pay the
licence fee should receive a decoder card enabling them to access the
full range of BBC content. Those who don't get to suffer adverts and a
restricted set of channels with irritating overlays and/or
interruptions.

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