Ads on guide screen

On Sat, 1 Aug 2009 11:32:55 +0100, "David WE Roberts"
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"Richard Tobin" wrote in message
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I went to John Lewis today, because I was thinking of getting a new
Panasonic television. Only a couple of them had remotes so that I
could actually try looking at different channels. But when I looked
at the guide about a third of the screen was occupied by an
advertisement! What's more, I couldn't find any way to get rid of
it. Naturally there were no staff around to answer questions.

Where do these ads come from? Who is getting paid for them? Can
they be switched off? If I pay about a thousand popunds for a TV I
don't expect to have to put up with ads just to change channels,
quite apart from it wasting much of the display space - it shows
fewer channels, and a smaller time range, than my existing TV.
Is this just a Panasonic thing?

The facility is on my new 42" Panasonic.
I have no idea why, what, whatever - I will ask on Avforums.
I can't see any way to turn it off - just to select targetted adverts by
inputting your postcode.

http://www.europe.guideplus.com/En/o...ce/models.html

It doesn't seem to be having much impact on the Panasonic community - it is
one of the things you regret then ignore, I suppose.
It is a minor irritant in an otherwise outsdtanding TV.
Also, I think that a lot of users will have Sky or Virgin feeds and so not
use the Freeview as their main system.
I wonder if there is any measurement of 'click through' for the adverts?
If so, perhaps the advertisers will abandon the service after a while.

The Guide Plus+ system on my Panasonic recorder wasn't working at all
yesterday the EPG did not get updated after 18:39. I haven't checked
it today. Hopefully, its not my equipment at fault.

Steve

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"Mike Henry" wrote in message
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In , "David WE Roberts"
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http://www.europe.guideplus.com/En/o...ce/models.html

It doesn't seem to be having much impact on the Panasonic community - it
is
one of the things you regret then ignore, I suppose.
It is a minor irritant in an otherwise outsdtanding TV.

It's far more than that, the whole idea is appalling. It's not a minor
irritant, it's a deal-breaker.

If you look at the list, it is not just Panasonic - most of the major names
are there.
I assume that this is just outsourcing the ongoing development of an EPG.

Deal breaker for you, but perhaps not for everyone.
The AV kit still seems to be selling quite well, and I have seen very few
complaints and only a few queries.

On Sun, 2 Aug 2009 17:33:38 +0100, "David WE Roberts"
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"Mike Henry" wrote in message
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In , "David WE Roberts"
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http://www.europe.guideplus.com/En/o...ce/models.html

It doesn't seem to be having much impact on the Panasonic community - it
is
one of the things you regret then ignore, I suppose.
It is a minor irritant in an otherwise outsdtanding TV.

It's far more than that, the whole idea is appalling. It's not a minor
irritant, it's a deal-breaker.

If you look at the list, it is not just Panasonic - most of the major names
are there.
I assume that this is just outsourcing the ongoing development of an EPG.

Possibly. But that doesn't stop some of us putting it into the same
category as junk mail, spam, and sales or marketing phone calls.

Deal breaker for you, but perhaps not for everyone.
The AV kit still seems to be selling quite well, and I have seen very few
complaints and only a few queries.

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Peter Duncanson
(in uk.tech.digital-tv)

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o.uk.invalid, Alan
Pemberton writes

Years ago I bought a Panasonic disc recorder and was chuffed to pieces
with it. It did sterling service recording from my SetPal tuner, until
that was rendered useless by the split-Nit bug.

When a friend wanted a digital recorder I suggested a new Panny DVB-T
recorder and decided to get one for myself. I bought a model with 160GB
hard drive and she bought a cheaper DVD-only model. My epg has the
advert panel - hers doesn't.

I don't know how it will work with the telly, but with the DVR, not
entering the postcode doesn't stop adverts coming down. You have to turn
off 'EPG download in standby' (Function Menu/Set Up/System Update).

Howver, if the adverts have already appeared, the only way you can get
rid of them is to perform an Initialisation (I can't remember if it has
to be Shipping Condition or Defaults Settings) and go through the whole
setting up process again.

You still get the advert panel, but it is blank.

I would never buy or recommend another Panasonic digital recorder or
receiver.

Incidentally, the epg displayed is the normal, free-of-charge, Freeview
7-day continuously updated one, not one of the overnight commercial
static jobbies. By turning off 'EPG download in standby' you have to
wait a little while for the epg to be populated after switching on.


As a matter of interest which manufacturer would you use or recommend?
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Robert

On Sun, 2 Aug 2009 17:33:38 +0100, "David WE Roberts"
wrote:


"Mike Henry" wrote in message
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In , "David WE Roberts"
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http://www.europe.guideplus.com/En/o...ce/models.html

It doesn't seem to be having much impact on the Panasonic community - it
is
one of the things you regret then ignore, I suppose.
It is a minor irritant in an otherwise outsdtanding TV.

It's far more than that, the whole idea is appalling. It's not a minor
irritant, it's a deal-breaker.

If you look at the list, it is not just Panasonic - most of the major names
are there.
I assume that this is just outsourcing the ongoing development of an EPG.

Deal breaker for you, but perhaps not for everyone.
The AV kit still seems to be selling quite well, and I have seen very few
complaints and only a few queries.

In their review "Which?" magazine specifically mentioned the adverts:
"... it does display some adverts, which you may find irritating".

I would not consider it because of this. But then I am the kind of
person that always turns the TV/radio over or off when the adverts
come on.

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On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:00:39 +0100, Mark
wrote:

In their review "Which?" magazine specifically mentioned the adverts:
"... it does display some adverts, which you may find irritating".

I would not consider it because of this. But then I am the kind of
person that always turns the TV/radio over or off when the adverts
come on.

I'm the same. I never watch any commercial channels but I record some
series to allow me to skip the adverts.

I only use the guide on my recorder to set up recording of the series.
That only take a few seconds and I tolerate the adverts as they are
static and thus easy to ignore.

Steve

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Neural Planner Software Ltd www.NPSL1.com

Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:00:39 +0100, Mark
wrote:

In their review "Which?" magazine specifically mentioned the adverts:
"... it does display some adverts, which you may find irritating".

I would not consider it because of this. But then I am the kind of
person that always turns the TV/radio over or off when the adverts
come on.

I'm the same. I never watch any commercial channels but I record some
series to allow me to skip the adverts.

I only use the guide on my recorder to set up recording of the series.
That only take a few seconds and I tolerate the adverts as they are
static and thus easy to ignore.

I wonder if those who complain about them understand that they are static
and occupy just a fixed part of the screen rather than taking over the whole
lot?

The ads are only annoying because they reduce the screen area available for
the EPG down to about two thirds of what it could be. But it's hardly a
deal breaker, particularly given the superior quality of Panasonic stuff
generally. The baby really shouldn't be thrown out with the bathwater.

On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:42:44 +0100, "Norman Wells"
wrote:

Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:00:39 +0100, Mark
wrote:

In their review "Which?" magazine specifically mentioned the adverts:
"... it does display some adverts, which you may find irritating".

I would not consider it because of this. But then I am the kind of
person that always turns the TV/radio over or off when the adverts
come on.

I'm the same. I never watch any commercial channels but I record some
series to allow me to skip the adverts.

I only use the guide on my recorder to set up recording of the series.
That only take a few seconds and I tolerate the adverts as they are
static and thus easy to ignore.

I wonder if those who complain about them understand that they are static
and occupy just a fixed part of the screen rather than taking over the whole
lot?


That's my point, but better explained by you.

The ads are only annoying because they reduce the screen area available for
the EPG down to about two thirds of what it could be. But it's hardly a
deal breaker, particularly given the superior quality of Panasonic stuff
generally. The baby really shouldn't be thrown out with the bathwater.


The reduced screen size isn't a problem either. If I compare my
Panasonic recorder guide with my TV guide they have the same amount of
data on the screen. It is just a bit wider on the TV guide.

Steve

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Neural Planner Software Ltd www.NPSL1.com

Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:42:44 +0100, "Norman Wells"
wrote:

Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:00:39 +0100, Mark
wrote:

In their review "Which?" magazine specifically mentioned the
adverts: "... it does display some adverts, which you may find
irritating".

I would not consider it because of this. But then I am the kind of
person that always turns the TV/radio over or off when the adverts
come on.

I'm the same. I never watch any commercial channels but I record
some series to allow me to skip the adverts.

I only use the guide on my recorder to set up recording of the
series. That only take a few seconds and I tolerate the adverts as
they are static and thus easy to ignore.

I wonder if those who complain about them understand that they are
static and occupy just a fixed part of the screen rather than taking
over the whole lot?


That's my point, but better explained by you.

The ads are only annoying because they reduce the screen area
available for the EPG down to about two thirds of what it could be.
But it's hardly a deal breaker, particularly given the superior
quality of Panasonic stuff generally. The baby really shouldn't be
thrown out with the bathwater.


The reduced screen size isn't a problem either. If I compare my
Panasonic recorder guide with my TV guide they have the same amount of
data on the screen. It is just a bit wider on the TV guide.

Steve

My Panasonic Freesat recorder doesn't have adverts on the EPG and I can
remove adverts from the commercial stations before watching. I'm very happy
with it.
--
Adrian

On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:00:39 +0100, Mark wrote:

But then I am the kind of person that always turns the TV/radio over or off
when the adverts come on.

Is it more fun watching the TV when it is turned on its side or upside down?

Anybody remember the Letterman Show which was broadcast at 90, then 180,
then 270 degrees rotation?