No DAB reception in cars near BBC Television Centre!

In article ,
DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
You don't half pick your arguments: sticking up for the use of mono in
the 21st century and sticking up for them not upgrading DAB when they
could easily have done so prior to properly launching it.

Don't remember you on here criticising the system when it started - so
hindsight is a wonderful thing. And of course if they had changed things a
couple of years down the line you'd still be moaning about them not
getting it right first time.

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In article ,
DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
Well obviously it's in bleeding stereo when I listen to it because
I
obviously wouldn't bleeding listen to it on DAB at 128 kbps MP2
stereo
or one-eared 80 kbps mono when it's at 192 kbps AAC on the live
Internet radio streams, 192 kbps MP2 stereo on Freeview, and it's
in
glorious quality via FM, would I, Plow********?

As I thought. You can't listen to much R4 if you think it's all in
stereo.
Assuming you can tell the difference.


Pathetic, pathetic, pathetic. I didn't say that all R4 programmes were
in stereo, but all programmes made in stereo are always broadcast in
stereo on all platforms apart from the prehistoric DAB system.

No. You said it was in stereo when you listen to it. Or is this just
another mistake on your part?

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Dave Plowman London SW
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"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
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Then there is talk sport, least said the better, R7 which is in
stereo on
Freeview, is mostly mono low bit rate sounding on dab,


Radio 7 is permanently in mono on DAB, and the Asian Network is also
permanently mono on DAB even though it plays music and it's stereo on
the other digital platforms, and Radio 4 is reduced to mono after 5
p.m. whenever Radio 5 Sports Extra is on-air at that time.

Basically, the BBC is grossly incompetent.



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"It is the sheer volume of online audio content available via
internet-connected devices which terrifies the UK radio industry. I
believe that broadband-delivered radio will explode in the years to
come, offering very local, unregulated content, as well as opening a
window to the radio stations of the world." - from the Myers Report

"DAB sounds worse than FM" wrote in message
...
"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
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Then there is talk sport, least said the better, R7 which is in stereo on
Freeview, is mostly mono low bit rate sounding on dab,

Radio 7 is permanently in mono on DAB, and the Asian Network is also
permanently mono on DAB even though it plays music and it's stereo on the
other digital platforms, and Radio 4 is reduced to mono after 5 p.m.
whenever Radio 5 Sports Extra is on-air at that time.

Basically, the BBC is grossly incompetent.
Steve - www.savefm.org - stop the BBC bullies switching off FM


So what is the bandwidth / bit rate of BBC Radio 7 on FM?

Some is better than none

Steve Terry

In message , DAB sounds worse than
FM writes
"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
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Then there is talk sport, least said the better, R7 which is in
stereo on
Freeview, is mostly mono low bit rate sounding on dab,


Radio 7 is permanently in mono on DAB, and the Asian Network is also
permanently mono on DAB even though it plays music and it's stereo on
the other digital platforms, and Radio 4 is reduced to mono after 5
p.m. whenever Radio 5 Sports Extra is on-air at that time.

Basically, the BBC is grossly incompetent.

No. They are simply taking advantage of the fact the most users of DAB
are probably receiving it on ridiculously small portable, 'kitchen'
radios on which stereo is virtually indistinguishable from mono. Radios
of this size can in no way be considered hi-fi. And weren't some of the
early DAB radios mono only (one speaker)? Maybe they are still selling
them.
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Ian

In article ,
DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
and Radio 4 is reduced to mono after 5
p.m. whenever Radio 5 Sports Extra is on-air at that time.

Radio 4 goes to mono most days of the week at 5 pm regardless of what's on
R5.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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"Steve Terry" wrote in message

"DAB sounds worse than FM" wrote in message
...
"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
om

Then there is talk sport, least said the better, R7 which is in
stereo
on Freeview, is mostly mono low bit rate sounding on dab,

Radio 7 is permanently in mono on DAB, and the Asian Network is
also
permanently mono on DAB even though it plays music and it's stereo
on the
other digital platforms, and Radio 4 is reduced to mono after 5
p.m.
whenever Radio 5 Sports Extra is on-air at that time.

Basically, the BBC is grossly incompetent.
Steve - www.savefm.org - stop the BBC bullies switching off FM


So what is the bandwidth / bit rate of BBC Radio 7 on FM?


Radio 7's Internet radio stream is using 128 kbps AAC (the equivalent
of approx 256 kbps MP2) and in stereo, and it is on the digital TV
platforms at160 kbps MP2 stereo.

It isn't on FM, as you well know.



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Steve - www.savefm.org - stop the BBC bullies switching off FM

www.digitalradiotech.co.uk - digital radio news & info

"It is the sheer volume of online audio content available via
internet-connected devices which terrifies the UK radio industry. I
believe that broadband-delivered radio will explode in the years to
come, offering very local, unregulated content, as well as opening a
window to the radio stations of the world." - from the Myers Report

"Ian Jackson" wrote in
message

In message , DAB sounds worse
than
FM writes
"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
om

Then there is talk sport, least said the better, R7 which is in
stereo on
Freeview, is mostly mono low bit rate sounding on dab,


Radio 7 is permanently in mono on DAB, and the Asian Network is
also
permanently mono on DAB even though it plays music and it's stereo
on
the other digital platforms, and Radio 4 is reduced to mono after 5
p.m. whenever Radio 5 Sports Extra is on-air at that time.

Basically, the BBC is grossly incompetent.

No. They are simply taking advantage of the fact the most users of
DAB
are probably receiving it on ridiculously small portable, 'kitchen'
radios on which stereo is virtually indistinguishable from mono.
Radios
of this size can in no way be considered hi-fi.


My reference to the BBC being grossly incompetent was to the fact that
they added 5 digital-only stations to their national DAB mulitplex
even though they knew full well that doing so would lead to the audio
qulaity being massacred, and in Jenny Abramsky's own words they had
"always intended" to add a load of new stations, yet they didn't
upgrade the DAB system despite AAC being standardised in 1997 and
development of AAC began in 1993/4 (and BBC R&D engineers will have
been aware that AAC was being developed - they took part in a
listening test comparing it with MP2 in 1996 for example).




--
Steve - www.savefm.org - stop the BBC bullies switching off FM

www.digitalradiotech.co.uk - digital radio news & info

"It is the sheer volume of online audio content available via
internet-connected devices which terrifies the UK radio industry. I
believe that broadband-delivered radio will explode in the years to
come, offering very local, unregulated content, as well as opening a
window to the radio stations of the world." - from the Myers Report

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message

In article ,
DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
and Radio 4 is reduced to mono after 5
p.m. whenever Radio 5 Sports Extra is on-air at that time.

Radio 4 goes to mono most days of the week at 5 pm regardless of
what's on
R5.


There are plenty of stereo programmes on Radio 4 after 5pm, but which
have to be broadcast in mono on DAB whenever Radio 5 Sports Extra is
on-air.



--
Steve - www.savefm.org - stop the BBC bullies switching off FM

www.digitalradiotech.co.uk - digital radio news & info

"It is the sheer volume of online audio content available via
internet-connected devices which terrifies the UK radio industry. I
believe that broadband-delivered radio will explode in the years to
come, offering very local, unregulated content, as well as opening a
window to the radio stations of the world." - from the Myers Report

On 20 July, 23:52, "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
In article ,
* *DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:

Well obviously it's in bleeding stereo when I listen to it because
I
obviously wouldn't bleeding listen to it on DAB at 128 kbps MP2
stereo
or one-eared 80 kbps mono when it's at 192 kbps AAC on the live
Internet radio streams, 192 kbps MP2 stereo on Freeview, and it's
in
glorious quality via FM, would I, Plow********?

As I thought. You can't listen to much R4 if you think it's all in
stereo.
Assuming you can tell the difference.
Pathetic, pathetic, pathetic. I didn't say that all R4 programmes were
in stereo, but all programmes made in stereo are always broadcast in
stereo on all platforms apart from the prehistoric DAB system.

No. You said it was in stereo when you listen to it. Or is this just
another mistake on your part?


Radio 7's Internet radio stream and the streams on teh digital TV
platforms are permanently stereo whether the content is produced in
stereo or not. That was what I was referring to - i.e. whenever there
is stereo content on Radio 7 it is always broadcast in stereo because
the streams are stereo streams.

(I'm now forced to reply to Plowman's posts via Google Groups because
when I try replying via my newsreader replies to his and only his
posts are unable to be sent)