Petition to stop FM being switched off

In article ,
Mark wrote:
There's never been more channels and never been less worth watching.


Exactly what happens when you have the same pot of money spread more
thinly.

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On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:04:29 +0100, charles wrote:

Do not forget that if DAB beomes the normal broadcast medium, there will
be more transmitters

You hope... The Beeb currently quote 86% of UK population covered for
DAB with plans to 90%. Not that is "UK population" not land mass.
Anyone have the figures for the coverage of the national networks on
FM?

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JN wrote:

This Internet Radio sounds like the dogs b#ll#cks, how can I receive it
in my car at the same cost as FM broadcasts (I only listen to the radio
in a car).

It's certainly not at the same cost, but I've listened to 96k streams in the
car with my Nokia E61 plugged into the AUX on the car stereo through
Vodafone 3G. I have found it somewhat unreliable once in city centres, but I
have managed to drive from Leeds to Manchester along the M62 listening to a
stream without any drops. But right now it's nowhere near as seamless as
FM+RDS, and you'll need to pay for 3G and something to receive it on.

AFAIK there is no satellite radio in the UK as yet. I should have thought
there'd be a market for it. What ever happened to Worldspace?

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"Ian Jackson" wrote in
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In message , DAB sounds worse
than
FM writes



* DAB uses frequencies of around 200 MHz, whereas FM uses
frequencies
of around 100 MHz - i.e. DAB couldn't be transmitted in the FM band
anyway

Surely there's no technical reason why DAB cannot be transmitted at
the
present 'FM' frequencies?


It says in the DAB spec that DAB can be transmitted at any frequency
from (IIRC) about 100 MHz up to 2 or 3 GHz, but receivers aren't
designed to receive DAB at 100 MHz, so it wouldn't be used there.


It is arguable that propagation and RF
penetration is better than at 200MHz. All you will need is a new
radio.
This will be no great hardship as, the way things are going, if they
change DAB to DAB+ I'm going to have to change my DAB/FM radio
anyway in
order to receive anything at all.


Yeah, but there are no plans to add the FM band to the frequencies
that DAB receivers support (in terms of support for receiving DAB
signals - most can receive FM as well).



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Eeyore wrote:


More diversity is what's required rather than 'me too' boring BBC local
stations with talk shows about neighbours' cats and dogs and the like.

Which in theory is what you'd get by having only local stations on FM, as
proposed by the Carter report.

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"Steve Terry" wrote in message

"DAB sounds worse than FM" wrote in message
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message

In article ,
Eeyore wrote:
Besides, DAB is inferior. Good FM beats it hands down.

I'm surprised at that statement from you, Graham. DAB at a decent
bitrate knocks FM into touch.

Stop lying Plowman. You only ever listen to Radio 4, and you've
said
numerous times that you never listen to the music stations which
just so
happen to be the stations that have the biggest problem with their
audio
quality on DAB.

Of course if you want to compare 'good' FM to poor
bitrate DAB to make a point, so be it.

Don't need to do that - FM ****es all over DAB.


FM ****es all over the lousy low bitrate DAB we get in the UK


Absolutely.




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"It is the sheer volume of online audio content available via
internet-connected devices which terrifies the UK radio industry. I
believe that broadband-delivered radio will explode in the years to
come, offering very local, unregulated content, as well as opening a
window to the radio stations of the world." - from the Myers Report

bugbear writes:

There's not enough business to use all the slots on DVB or current
DAB - where's the business model to pay for all these stations
you dream of?

So why do they not increase the bitate of the stations that are
transmitting, thus increasing the quality?

On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:18:00 +0100, bugbear
wrote:

Alan wrote:
In message , DAB sounds worse than
FM wrote
There's a 10 Downing St petition to stop FM/AM being switched off:

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/AM-FM-Radio/

Please sign. Thanks.




Why would anyone want to sign something that may prevent us getting
hundreds of radio stations on DAB?

There's not enough business to use all the slots on DVB or current
DAB - where's the business model to pay for all these stations
you dream of?

I wonder why they can't increase the bandwidth of existing stations on
DAB if there are spare slots.

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In article , Ian Jackson ianREMOVET
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In message , Kráftéé
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Jimbo GM4DHJ .... wrote:
| "DAB sounds worse than FM" wrote in message
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|| There's a 10 Downing St petition to stop FM/AM being switched off:
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|| http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/AM-FM-Radio/
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|| Please sign. Thanks.
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| cool thanks ......

Maybe some more bandwidth to play with.......Naah I doubt it (it'll be
sold to the highest bidder)

Who IS going to buy that part of the spectrum? There's not a lot of
activity between (say) 30 and 87MHz at the moment, so I don't think that
there will be as great a demand for the FM radio spectrum as some people
think.

There are tracts of spectrum from around 30 to 87 MHz that are hardly
used as no one wants them;!...
Tony Sayer


Broadcasters need consistantancy, 30 to 80MHz suffers from Sporadic E,
high ignition interference QRN.
Digital DRM will offer some immunity.

Steve Terry

Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:04:29 +0100, charles wrote:

Do not forget that if DAB beomes the normal broadcast medium, there will
be more transmitters

You hope... The Beeb currently quote 86% of UK population covered for
DAB with plans to 90%. Not that is "UK population" not land mass.
Anyone have the figures for the coverage of the national networks on
FM?

ISTR it's about 96% of the UK population (for BBC R1-4), Classic FM is
85-90% ish I think.