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"charles" wrote in message
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In article , Bill Wright
wrote:
The selling of council houses at a discount to long term tenants was a
good way of getting people into the private housing sector. This was an
unqualified good. House owners feel pride in their property, it's good
psychologically, and it makes people feel they have a stake in the
country. Home ownership makes people feel more middle class, so they
become more right wing.

It was also very good for Magnet Joinery who sold thousands of new front
doors as the new owners put their mark on the house.

All except my dad, who kept his council house front door for thirty years,
until one day he saw a nicer one in a skip.

Bill

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scribeth thus

"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
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On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 19:38:00 +0100, Java Jive wrote:
snip
Course Thatcher did a lot more social levelling than any socialist mob
ever did by letting tenants buy their own properties)..

Surely the idea was to free up cash for the local government so she
could cut back on their grants, a process that was speeded up by the
present lot by selling off estates at knock-down prices to 'social
landlords'. Some estates with run down housing were sold off at £1000
per property, the tenants never given the opportunity to buy for
themselves at this price. The process resulted in a property boom in
the buy to let market as councils could no longer build affordable
housing. Thankfully the CC has caused many off those opportunists to
end up in s**t street.
Kay


This Govs hidden agenda on social housing was betrayed by their
actions against Brighton council 3 years ago.
As they did to councils all over the country they forced them to
make their 12,000 Council tenants vote on selling their stock
to a Housing Association, or stay council.
But the Gov didn't get the vote they wanted, despite a fortune spent
on pro H.A. propaganda, Brighton council tenants voted against.

So new Labour pulled a stroke that even Maggi T couldn't have got
away with, they penalised Brighton council £10M in withheld central
grants for not getting them the result they wanted, in the long term
making Brighton council look bad by leaving them with the choice
of cutting services or increasing council tax to make up the shortfall

By those actions alone, Gordon Brown has proved himself an enemy of the
workers

Steve Terry

In article , Kay Robinson
wrote:

Of course she had an ulterior motive from the gaining votes aspect.
Another one was the creation of new county councils such as 'Greater
Manchester', however, when she realised she'd created Labour monster
councils she quashed them everything returning to norm apart from some
unelected quangos left to run some local services.

The 'Greater' (or metropolitan) councils were not created by MT. They were
the product of a previous Conservative government under Edward Heath in
1972.

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On Sat, 4 Jul 2009 15:00:36 +0100, "Bill Wright"
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Of course she had an ulterior motive from the gaining votes aspect.

She would have said that her motive was to make people feel that they had
moved up in the world. If that made them vote Tory then so be it.

You always seem to jump to the defense of the evil witch while still
claiming to be a socialist, something she passionately hated and tried
her damdest (some would say successfully) to destroy.

She wasn't right about everything. As I told you I am a highly rational
independent free thinker, so I see good and bad in all parties.

You're defintely
in 'half a mind' IMO and should stop sitting on the fence.
See above.

The great think Thatch did was put a bomb under a lot of outfits in this
country that were sitting pretty and wanted the status quo to last forever.
I worked as a contractor for local government right through the period, and
believe me the change she forced was staggering. Of course it's nearly all
gone back now to how it was. Another example was the GPO, who were
strangling initiative and innovation in communications. Remember that you
were only allowed to connect an ansaphone made by a company that was part of
a secret price ring? Ansaphones were £700 for God's Sake. It was the same
with private mobile radio gear. You had to pay many thousands for a simple
set up with one base and say three mobiles. When she deregulated it the
prices dropped to a tenth (yes!) of what they'd been.


Most working class areas of Britain will no longer have Guy Fawkes as
their chosen 'bonfire night' hate figure, they will use the Wicked
Witch of the West instead and parties are already being planned with
bottles of champange to celebrate her passing.
This merely demonstates the vindictiveness of the extreme left. Anything
like that will be orchestrated by them and their rentamobs.

Bill

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"Kay Robinson" wrote in message
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On Sat, 4 Jul 2009 15:00:36 +0100, "Bill Wright"
sharpened a new quill and scratched:
Of course she had an ulterior motive from the gaining votes aspect.

She would have said that her motive was to make people feel that they had
moved up in the world. If that made them vote Tory then so be it.

You always seem to jump to the defense of the evil witch while still
claiming to be a socialist, something she passionately hated and tried
her damdest (some would say successfully) to destroy.

She wasn't right about everything. As I told you I am a highly rational
independent free thinker, so I see good and bad in all parties.

You're defintely
in 'half a mind' IMO and should stop sitting on the fence.
See above.

The great think Thatch did was put a bomb under a lot of outfits in this
country that were sitting pretty and wanted the status quo to last
forever. I worked as a contractor for local government right through the
period, and believe me the change she forced was staggering. Of course
it's nearly all gone back now to how it was. Another example was the GPO,
who were strangling initiative and innovation in communications. Remember
that you were only allowed to connect an ansaphone made by a company that
was part of a secret price ring? Ansaphones were £700 for God's Sake. It
was the same with private mobile radio gear. You had to pay many thousands
for a simple set up with one base and say three mobiles. When she
deregulated it the prices dropped to a tenth (yes!) of what they'd been.


It was new technology of the 1980's that liberated telecoms, not BT.
If you doubt that just look at other countries that kept their nationalised
PTTs
they are just as advanced as us, if not more.

After all, after spending millions developing System X, BT chucked much
of that development and went for the cheap option of importing System Y
So don't give me all that balls that BT saved UK telecoms.

They are just another badly managed privatised UK quango that got lucky

Steve Terry

In article ,
Kay Robinson wrote:
On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 08:35:22 +0100, charles
sharpened a new quill and scratched:

In article , Kay Robinson
wrote:

Of course she had an ulterior motive from the gaining votes aspect.
Another one was the creation of new county councils such as 'Greater
Manchester', however, when she realised she'd created Labour monster
councils she quashed them everything returning to norm apart from some
unelected quangos left to run some local services.

The 'Greater' (or metropolitan) councils were not created by MT. They
were the product of a previous Conservative government under Edward
Heath in 1972.

I stand corrected, however is was Maggie that quashed them.

indeed - one of her many silly ideas.

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In article ,
Kay Robinson wrote:

[Snip]

This merely demonstates the vindictiveness of the extreme left. Anything
like that will be orchestrated by them and their rentamobs.

I don't know anyone that has any connections with 'the extreme left'.
Terms such as that and 'rentamob' are simply newspaper hype to sell
papers and suck up to the powers that be.

not entirely true. I was (for the BBC) in Brighton for the TUC jamboree in
1976. The event was lobbied by "The Right to Work March".

Some of the "marchers" invaded the quiet backstreet pub that a colleague &
myself had found for lunch. They all had fistfulls of new fivers, they all
had brand new donkey jackets with the printed slogan "right to work" on the
back and from their conversation they had all come by coach. That was a
real "rentamob". Who funded them, I have no idea.

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"Steve Terry" wrote in message
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"Bill Wright" wrote in message
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"Kay Robinson" wrote in message
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On Sat, 4 Jul 2009 15:00:36 +0100, "Bill Wright"
sharpened a new quill and scratched:
Of course she had an ulterior motive from the gaining votes aspect.

She would have said that her motive was to make people feel that they had
moved up in the world. If that made them vote Tory then so be it.

You always seem to jump to the defense of the evil witch while still
claiming to be a socialist, something she passionately hated and tried
her damdest (some would say successfully) to destroy.

She wasn't right about everything. As I told you I am a highly rational
independent free thinker, so I see good and bad in all parties.

You're defintely
in 'half a mind' IMO and should stop sitting on the fence.
See above.

The great think Thatch did was put a bomb under a lot of outfits in this
country that were sitting pretty and wanted the status quo to last
forever. I worked as a contractor for local government right through the
period, and believe me the change she forced was staggering. Of course
it's nearly all gone back now to how it was. Another example was the GPO,
who were strangling initiative and innovation in communications. Remember
that you were only allowed to connect an ansaphone made by a company that
was part of a secret price ring? Ansaphones were £700 for God's Sake. It
was the same with private mobile radio gear. You had to pay many
thousands for a simple set up with one base and say three mobiles. When
she deregulated it the prices dropped to a tenth (yes!) of what they'd
been.


It was new technology of the 1980's that liberated telecoms, not BT.
If you doubt that just look at other countries that kept their
nationalised PTTs
they are just as advanced as us, if not more.

After all, after spending millions developing System X, BT chucked much
of that development and went for the cheap option of importing System Y
So don't give me all that balls that BT saved UK telecoms.

They are just another badly managed privatised UK quango that got lucky





Strange though how the kind of things we had endured for years such as
'party lines', six month waiting lists all seemed to rapidly vapourise into
distant memory very soon after privatisation and started to be replaced with
the kind of service and stuff that had been 'accepted as the norm' for
generations over in the States, such conveniences as multiple telephone
outlets and inexpensive modern equipment and phones that could be purchased
in almost any electrical retail outlet, all miraculously and coincidently
started to happen within a few months of the GPO becoming privatised.
I'll never forgive them for the time that my dad was dying and I was forced
to wait almost nine months for a ****ing 'party line' to be installed, IMV
they were the most arrogant and intransigent shower of of **** that I ever
had the misfortune to deal with, if you think that those were the halcyon
days of nationalisation then all I can say is god help us.

Kay Robinson wrote:
I don't know anyone that has any connections with 'the extreme left'.
Terms such as that and 'rentamob' are simply newspaper hype to sell
papers and suck up to the powers that be. The Communist Party and The
Socialist Workers Party' are just about the smallest most useless
excuses that could be. I'm talking about normal housewives, workers,
tenants who have felt the damage that the evil witch did, entire
families of decent people dumped on the dole when the factories their
families had worked in for generations, shut up shop and moved to the
Philipines or India. I'm not anywhere near the extreme left but I'll
join in the celebrations along with so many other decent folk who
haven't been brainwashed.


I was at Uni with a couple of guys who are now MPs. One Lib-Dem, one
Labour. The Labour guy was Marxist Tendency, SWP, who-is-this
fascist-tony-benn type. He's now nu-labour and fidd^h^h^h^ claiming
expenses with the best of them. It's people like that that make me
realise just how right Orwell had it with Animal Farm.

Andy

"Ivan" wrote in message
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"Steve Terry" wrote in message
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"Bill Wright" wrote in message
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"Kay Robinson" wrote in message
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On Sat, 4 Jul 2009 15:00:36 +0100, "Bill Wright"
sharpened a new quill and scratched:
Of course she had an ulterior motive from the gaining votes aspect.

She would have said that her motive was to make people feel that they
had moved up in the world. If that made them vote Tory then so be it.

You always seem to jump to the defense of the evil witch while still
claiming to be a socialist, something she passionately hated and tried
her damdest (some would say successfully) to destroy.

She wasn't right about everything. As I told you I am a highly rational
independent free thinker, so I see good and bad in all parties.

You're defintely
in 'half a mind' IMO and should stop sitting on the fence.
See above.

The great think Thatch did was put a bomb under a lot of outfits in this
country that were sitting pretty and wanted the status quo to last
forever. I worked as a contractor for local government right through the
period, and believe me the change she forced was staggering. Of course
it's nearly all gone back now to how it was. Another example was the
GPO, who were strangling initiative and innovation in communications.
Remember that you were only allowed to connect an ansaphone made by a
company that was part of a secret price ring? Ansaphones were £700 for
God's Sake. It was the same with private mobile radio gear. You had to
pay many thousands for a simple set up with one base and say three
mobiles. When she deregulated it the prices dropped to a tenth (yes!) of
what they'd been.

It was new technology of the 1980's that liberated telecoms, not BT.
If you doubt that just look at other countries that kept their
nationalised PTTs
they are just as advanced as us, if not more.

After all, after spending millions developing System X, BT chucked much
of that development and went for the cheap option of importing System Y
So don't give me all that balls that BT saved UK telecoms.

They are just another badly managed privatised UK quango that got lucky

Strange though how the kind of things we had endured for years such as
'party lines', six month waiting lists all seemed to rapidly vapourise
into distant memory very soon after privatisation and started to be
replaced with the kind of service and stuff that had been 'accepted as the
norm' for generations over in the States, such conveniences as multiple
telephone outlets and inexpensive modern equipment and phones that could
be purchased in almost any electrical retail outlet, all miraculously and
coincidently started to happen within a few months of the GPO becoming
privatised.
I'll never forgive them for the time that my dad was dying and I was
forced to wait almost nine months for a ****ing 'party line' to be
installed, IMV they were the most arrogant and intransigent shower of of
**** that I ever had the misfortune to deal with, if you think that those
were the halcyon days of nationalisation then all I can say is god help
us.


Not just the UK, i remember in the 1970's to make a phone call in most
Spanish towns you had to find one of the toilet cubical payphones
in the town square and call via an operator.

The big change was when Ericsson and Canadian Northern Telecom
exported the new generation of digital exchanges around the world,
and all that went with it, like modular sockets and leads, DTMF handsets,
etc etc.

Look at the technology of GSM and 3g, not an ounce of input from BT,
the only thing BT achieved is to flog off Cellnet O2, which epitomises
the true incompetence of BT.

Steve Terry