BBC cripple HD offering to make it fit on Freeview

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"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
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On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 19:38:00 +0100, Java Jive wrote:
snp
The only thing about this impending UK economic disaster that would make
me **** myself, would be if France with it's mixed economy, stopped
accepting
UK passport holders like myself, but having a French grandmother may be
in my favour?

What makes you think that things are, or will be any better en France?..
Tony Sayer

This economic disaster is mostly Anglo banking made. It has dragged the
whole worlds economy down but best placed are those with real mixed
economies like France. If nothing else lots of cheap small holdings
with good weather to grow your own food.

Well unemployment is rising rather fast there according to our relatives
there with one of them, 34 Y/O with commitments children etc, looking at
redundancy next month.. In what was supposed to be a secure job..

Now under cut by the Chinese..


In France because of the extensive employment laws, a job is more like a
marriage, not something gone into lightly by both sides.

It means mostly only real jobs which have to be done exist, which may
lead to high unemployment, but at least you don't end up with too many
Chiefs and not enough Indians, like we have here.
Those necessary jobs therefore are by and large truly productive.

The dumping of cheap Chinese goods is damaging every developed
country, at least the France do have a sense of national pride.
e.g. if you are French and not driving a Citroen / Peugeot or Renault,
don't expect your friends or neighbours to approve

Opps .. in fact another one does work for Peugeot .. and that doesn't
look at all healthy either;(....

Here the only reason we aren't driving Chinese rice boxes is because
they haven't exported any "yet"

Steve Terry



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Tony Sayer

"Paul D.Smith" wrote in message
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My understanding from following this NG is that the difference between
"Brand X, £400 model" and "Brnd X, £600 model" is often NOT the screen,
rather the extra £200 buys you a better processing engine inside which
does
upscaling etc much better.

Paul DS.


Power Consumption and Upscaling both play a part in that price difference..
I got a 42" samsung downstairs (couple of years old now) that is 720p, and a
cheap value Hannspree 40" upstairs..
The samsung (when watching something fed from scart) looks a LOT better than
the Hannspree, but when you connect them both to a PC then the samsung has
only a SLIGHT advantage. If your going to drop a HD source on the TV then
dont worry about FreeviewHD/FreesatHD or any other complaint stuff, just get
something that has a good build quality and a good refresh rate ;P...

"Alan Pemberton" wrote in message
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Ivan wrote:

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In article , Tony sayer wrote:

Class system through and through .. only India has a better one;!...

And weren't they first with satellite television?

IIRC using UHF transponders?

Transponder in the singular. Uplink 5.95GHz, downlink 860MHz (E69-E69)
+/-15MHz FM @ ~160kW erp (80W tx into 9m dia parabola) for direct
reception on a 3m dish in villages, plus a 4GHz downlink for reception
and rediffusion at terrestrial tx sites, from the ATS-F satellite at
35E.

The experiment ran from 1 Aug 1975 to 31 Jul 1976. First UK reception
was in Dec 1975 by Steve Birkill in Sheffield, via a 5ft dish.
Subsequently several enthusiasts received the signals using a variety of
home-made and commercial dishes, yagis, receivers and converters. They
were threatened with prosecution for receiving satellite signals without
an appropriate licence.

During 1977 there was a Russian satellite ('Statsionar T' or 'Ekran') at
99E radiating on 714MHz (E50-E52) +/-12MHz with a 6GHz uplink.


Thanks for that info Alan, I remember now and if I cared to venture up into
the loft may still have some of the articles in back issues of 'Television'
(which I shall have to dispose of before the bedroom ceiling finally
collapses!)
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I remember in the early eighties the thrill of seeing a female Russian
announcer on a (Gorizont?) satellite transmission, I often think how we take
all this stuff so much for granted nowadays and if for whatever reason it
all suddenly disappeared (caused by something like an unprecedented solar
flare?) I reckon that the whole world would very quickly be be in deep deep
.....

On 17 June, 20:05, Andy Champ wrote:
2Bdecided wrote:

I don't think the iPlayer bitrate is a problem - not for SD. The top
rate on iPlayer is 1.5Mbps H.264 at 25fps, which is potentially better
than most of Freeview.

I beg to differ. *There are obvious jpeg-type artefacts, especially in
sky shots and other almost-flat colour areas.

I'd be surprised if that's because it's actually running out of bits.
Maybe the encoder or the decoder isn't using the bits it has available
optimally or properly.

The fact that Freeview is just as bad - or even worse - doesn't cheer me
up.

Me neither!

*Come to that, I've seen obvious problems in SkyHD football - you
can see every blade of grass, until the picture pans. *They then all
vanish, only to reappear when the camera sits still. *And, no, I wasn't
paying attention to the game

interlacing, MPEG-4, and modern displays all contribute to that. It's
not impossible to get it right at 20Mbps!

Cheers,
David.

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Ivan wrote:

"Alan Pemberton" wrote in
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Transponder in the singular. Uplink 5.95GHz, downlink 860MHz (E69-E69)
+/-15MHz FM @ ~160kW erp (80W tx into 9m dia parabola) for direct
reception on a 3m dish in villages, plus a 4GHz downlink for reception
and rediffusion at terrestrial tx sites, from the ATS-F satellite at
35E.

The experiment ran from 1 Aug 1975 to 31 Jul 1976. First UK reception
was in Dec 1975 by Steve Birkill in Sheffield, via a 5ft dish.
Subsequently several enthusiasts received the signals using a variety
of
home-made and commercial dishes, yagis, receivers and converters. They
were threatened with prosecution for receiving satellite signals
without
an appropriate licence.

During 1977 there was a Russian satellite ('Statsionar T' or 'Ekran')
at
99E radiating on 714MHz (E50-E52) +/-12MHz with a 6GHz uplink.


Thanks for that info Alan, I remember now and if I cared to venture up
into
the loft may still have some of the articles issues of 'Television'
(which I shall have to dispose of before the bedroom ceiling finally
collapses!)

I have been sorting through my library of back issues and found some
gaps (apart from the ones produced by printing disputes, etc), so please
don't throw yours away too hastily! You'll not be surprised to learn
that most of the above came from Roger Bunney's columns of around 1976.
There were also articles in Wireless World of March and September 1976.

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I've got stacks of all kinds of technical magazine stuff such as the old
Elektor, I believe I even still have copies of the ZX81 magazine (IIRC they
actually only ever printed two or three copies) from the early eighties,
the reason I bought them was that there was a decoder programme for RTTY (a
hobby that I was into back then) owning a couple of Creeds and Teletype
machines which I had set up in the garage, however they did make a fair bit
of noise, which wasn't too good for neighbourly relations, so it was a
relief when the solid state stuff came along.
If there's anything there that may be of any interest Alan such as any back
numbers of Television that I may have you're more than welcome, as long as
you stump up the postage;o)
PS. pity about the Daewoos, I must have slung about a dozen, although
strange to relate that a mate of mine who own a Labgear version still finds
it works perfectly, despite unthinkingly pressing the dreaded 'YES' button!

Alan Pemberton wrote:
Ivan wrote:

"Alan Pemberton" wrote in message
rve.co.uk.invalid...
Transponder in the singular. Uplink 5.95GHz, downlink 860MHz (E69-E69)
+/-15MHz FM @ ~160kW erp (80W tx into 9m dia parabola) for direct
reception on a 3m dish in villages, plus a 4GHz downlink for reception
and rediffusion at terrestrial tx sites, from the ATS-F satellite at
35E.

The experiment ran from 1 Aug 1975 to 31 Jul 1976. First UK reception
was in Dec 1975 by Steve Birkill in Sheffield, via a 5ft dish.
Subsequently several enthusiasts received the signals using a variety of
home-made and commercial dishes, yagis, receivers and converters. They
were threatened with prosecution for receiving satellite signals without
an appropriate licence.

During 1977 there was a Russian satellite ('Statsionar T' or 'Ekran') at
99E radiating on 714MHz (E50-E52) +/-12MHz with a 6GHz uplink.

Thanks for that info Alan, I remember now and if I cared to venture up into
the loft may still have some of the articles in back issues of 'Television'
(which I shall have to dispose of before the bedroom ceiling finally
collapses!)

I have been sorting through my library of back issues and found some
gaps (apart from the ones produced by printing disputes, etc), so please
don't throw yours away too hastily! You'll not be surprised to learn
that most of the above came from Roger Bunney's columns of around 1976.
There were also articles in Wireless World of March and September 1976.


I've got a load of 'Television' mags distributed about the place - the
older ones are in the cellar and may be bit 'crinkly' as it has been
flooded a few times!

SWMBO wants it it all cleared out so, if you know which issues you're
missing, now is the time to ask!

IIRC I started getting them in 1962, but not all have survived ...

Terry

In article , Paul D.Smith
writes

Let's get Freeview with SD, some decent bitrates and 5.1 sound and
recognise that by the time HD takes off, satellite systems will be
being given away with a gallon of petrol ;-).

Is petrol still allowed to be sold by the gallon?

Free satellites are as good a reason as any for leaving the EU. ;-)
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Kennedy
Yes, Socrates himself is particularly missed;
A lovely little thinker, but a bugger when he's ****ed.
Python Philosophers (replace 'nospam' with 'kennedym' when replying)

In article ,
Kay Robinson wrote:

Surely the idea was to free up cash for the local government so she
could cut back on their grants, a process that was speeded up by the
present lot by selling off estates at knock-down prices to 'social
landlords'.

It didn't "free up" any cash for the councils since they weren't
allowed to spend the money they 'made'.

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"Kay Robinson" wrote in message
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On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 08:10:43 +0100, tony sayer
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Course Thatcher did a lot more social levelling than any socialist mob
ever did by letting tenants buy their own properties)..

Surely the idea was to free up cash for the local government so she
could cut back on their grants, a process that was speeded up by the
present lot by selling off estates at knock-down prices to 'social
landlords'. Some estates with run down housing were sold off at £1000
per property, the tenants never given the opportunity to buy for
themselves at this price. The process resulted in a property boom in
the buy to let market as councils could no longer build affordable
housing. Thankfully the CC has caused many off those opportunists to
end up in s**t street.

The selling of council houses at a discount to long term tenants was a good
way of getting people into the private housing sector. This was an
unqualified good. House owners feel pride in their property, it's good
psychologically, and it makes people feel they have a stake in the country.
Home ownership makes people feel more middle class, so they become more
right wing.

Bill

In article , Bill Wright
wrote:

"Kay Robinson" wrote in message
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On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 08:10:43 +0100, tony sayer
sharpened a new quill and scratched:

Course Thatcher did a lot more social levelling than any socialist mob
ever did by letting tenants buy their own properties)..

Surely the idea was to free up cash for the local government so she
could cut back on their grants, a process that was speeded up by the
present lot by selling off estates at knock-down prices to 'social
landlords'. Some estates with run down housing were sold off at £1000
per property, the tenants never given the opportunity to buy for
themselves at this price. The process resulted in a property boom in
the buy to let market as councils could no longer build affordable
housing. Thankfully the CC has caused many off those opportunists to
end up in s**t street.

The selling of council houses at a discount to long term tenants was a
good way of getting people into the private housing sector. This was an
unqualified good. House owners feel pride in their property, it's good
psychologically, and it makes people feel they have a stake in the
country. Home ownership makes people feel more middle class, so they
become more right wing.

It was also very good for Magnet Joinery who sold thousands of new front
doors as the new owners put their mark on the house.

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