BBC cripple HD offering to make it fit on Freeview

On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 02:25:08 -0700 (PDT), 2Bdecided
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On 16 June, 20:39, Andy Champ wrote:

OTOH I do have about 5 hours of wish-it-had-a-higher-bitrate iPlayer to
watch...

I don't think the iPlayer bitrate is a problem - not for SD. The top
rate on iPlayer is 1.5Mbps H.264 at 25fps, which is potentially better
than most of Freeview.

I think it's the 50i25p conversion (or, in the case of "filmic"
programmes, the 50i25p50i25p conversion!) that makes the picture
nasty - and of course watching 50i content at 25p makes it stuttery
and/or blurry.

Why the extra conversion stages on "filmic" programmes?

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On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 08:06:30 +0100, tony sayer
wrote:

Course if planning wasn't so restrictive then there might be enough
houses that are affordable so the original problem didn't exist;!..

IME developers can get away with almost anything: building on
floodplains, building high density in low density areas, building in
AONB etc....

Now, if you want to build a small extension on your house, it's a
different ball game completely.

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On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 11:56:54 +0100, "Steve Terry"
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"charles" wrote in message
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In article ,
Steve Terry wrote:

This economic disaster is mostly Anglo banking made.

I wouln't call Iceland "Anglo".


I would, they used the Anglo "unregulated banking" model.

Unlike say Spain who kept their banking regulations,
and are now in the position of being able to buy up our banks.

Bad regulations are just as bad as none at all. In the USA
regulations forced the banks to lend to people would couldn't repay.

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In article ,
Mark wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 11:56:54 +0100, "Steve Terry"
wrote:

"charles" wrote in message
. ..
In article ,
Steve Terry wrote:

This economic disaster is mostly Anglo banking made.

I wouln't call Iceland "Anglo".


I would, they used the Anglo "unregulated banking" model.

Unlike say Spain who kept their banking regulations,
and are now in the position of being able to buy up our banks.

Bad regulations are just as bad as none at all. In the USA
regulations forced the banks to lend to people would couldn't repay.

and here the banks were 'encouraged' to make similar loans. After all it
was "infringing someone's Human Rights to refuse him a loan". ;-(

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"Steve Terry" wrote in message
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"tony sayer" wrote in message
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The only thing about this impending UK economic disaster that would make
me **** myself, would be if France with it's mixed economy, stopped
accepting
UK passport holders like myself, but having a French grandmother may be
in my favour?

What makes you think that things are, or will be any better en France?..
Tony Sayer


This economic disaster is mostly Anglo banking made. It has dragged the
whole worlds economy down but best placed are those with real mixed
economies like France. If nothing else lots of cheap small holdings
with good weather to grow your own food.

The last place to be in a melt down is here, now the highest population
per Sq km in Europe.

The Mad Max scenario of millions fighting for the last remaining scraps
will have nothing on us




IMV the problem seems to be that most politicians appear to lack enough
common sense and foresight to be able to predict with any kind of accuracy
any further into the future than about six weeks.

With the UK population estimated "to increase to more than 70 million over
the next 24 years" I just wonder what kind of future there will be for my
grandchildren/great grandchildren, especially if within those 24 years
(which I strongly suspect will happen) the planet just simply cannot
continue to sustain people in the style to which they've been conditioned to
expect as their god given right since the end of world war two.

On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:57:19 +0100, charles
wrote:

In article ,
Mark wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 11:56:54 +0100, "Steve Terry"
wrote:

"charles" wrote in message
. ..
In article ,
Steve Terry wrote:

This economic disaster is mostly Anglo banking made.

I wouln't call Iceland "Anglo".


I would, they used the Anglo "unregulated banking" model.

Unlike say Spain who kept their banking regulations,
and are now in the position of being able to buy up our banks.

Bad regulations are just as bad as none at all. In the USA
regulations forced the banks to lend to people would couldn't repay.

and here the banks were 'encouraged' to make similar loans. After all it
was "infringing someone's Human Rights to refuse him a loan". ;-(

It's nothing to do with Human Rights. Over here banks lent to risky
borrowers because they were greedy not because they had to.

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"tony sayer" wrote in message
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In article , tim.....
scribeth thus

"Paul D.Smith" wrote in message
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...snip...

In order to watch HD, you need an HD TV (thus outlay!). The additional
cost of an HD satellite system is not much on top.

So let's face facts, Freeview is fine for SD but HD can stay on
satellite.
Let's get Freeview with SD, some decent bitrates and 5.1 sound and
recognise that by the time HD takes off, satellite systems will be being
given away with a gallon of petrol ;-).

But no-one will have dis-invented conservation areas and listed buildings.
In fact, I suggest that there will be more of them!

tim



Can anyone answer me this.

Why is a lump of metal and plastic shaped into a satellite dish treated
any differently to a lump of metal and plastic shaped into a TV
aerial?..

It isn't

An aerial in the roof-space works (sort of) a sat dish in the roof space
does not

tim

"tony sayer" wrote in message
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In article , Steve Terry
scribeth thus
"tony sayer" wrote in message
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In article , Steve Terry
scribeth thus
"tony sayer" wrote in message
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In article , Steve Terry
scribeth thus
"tony sayer" wrote in message
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In article , tim.....
scribeth thus

"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
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On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 19:38:00 +0100, Java Jive wrote:
snp
The only thing about this impending UK economic disaster that would make
me **** myself, would be if France with it's mixed economy, stopped
accepting
UK passport holders like myself, but having a French grandmother may be
in my favour?

What makes you think that things are, or will be any better en France?..
Tony Sayer

This economic disaster is mostly Anglo banking made. It has dragged the
whole worlds economy down but best placed are those with real mixed
economies like France. If nothing else lots of cheap small holdings
with good weather to grow your own food.

Well unemployment is rising rather fast there according to our relatives
there with one of them, 34 Y/O with commitments children etc, looking at
redundancy next month.. In what was supposed to be a secure job..

Now under cut by the Chinese..


In France because of the extensive employment laws, a job is more like a
marriage, not something gone into lightly by both sides.

It means mostly only real jobs which have to be done exist, which may
lead to high unemployment, but at least you don't end up with too many
Chiefs and not enough Indians, like we have here.
Those necessary jobs therefore are by and large truly productive.

The dumping of cheap Chinese goods is damaging every developed
country, at least the France do have a sense of national pride.
e.g. if you are French and not driving a Citroen / Peugeot or Renault,
don't expect your friends or neighbours to approve

Here the only reason we aren't driving Chinese rice boxes is because
they haven't exported any "yet"

Steve Terry

"Steve Terry" wrote in message
...

"tony sayer" wrote in message
...
In article , Steve Terry
scribeth thus
"tony sayer" wrote in message
...
In article , Steve Terry
scribeth thus
"tony sayer" wrote in message
...
In article , Steve Terry
scribeth thus
"tony sayer" wrote in message
...
In article , tim.....
scribeth thus

"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
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On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 19:38:00 +0100, Java Jive wrote:
snp
The only thing about this impending UK economic disaster that would
make
me **** myself, would be if France with it's mixed economy, stopped
accepting
UK passport holders like myself, but having a French grandmother may be
in my favour?

What makes you think that things are, or will be any better en
France?..
Tony Sayer

This economic disaster is mostly Anglo banking made. It has dragged the
whole worlds economy down but best placed are those with real mixed
economies like France. If nothing else lots of cheap small holdings
with good weather to grow your own food.

Well unemployment is rising rather fast there according to our relatives
there with one of them, 34 Y/O with commitments children etc, looking at
redundancy next month.. In what was supposed to be a secure job..

Now under cut by the Chinese..


In France because of the extensive employment laws, a job is more like a
marriage, not something gone into lightly by both sides.

It means mostly only real jobs which have to be done exist, which may
lead to high unemployment, but at least you don't end up with too many
Chiefs and not enough Indians, like we have here.
Those necessary jobs therefore are by and large truly productive.

The dumping of cheap Chinese goods is damaging every developed
country, at least the France do have a sense of national pride.
e.g. if you are French and not driving a Citroen / Peugeot or Renault,
don't expect your friends or neighbours to approve

Here the only reason we aren't driving Chinese rice boxes is because
they haven't exported any "yet"




But when the day comes that a decently made Chinese copy of something akin
to a Ford focus turns up on Tesco forecourts selling for circa 4K, then I'd
hazard a guess that you, me and a few million others will hardly give a
thought about British or European car worker's jobs.

In article , tim.....
scribeth thus

"tony sayer" wrote in message
...
In article , tim.....
scribeth thus

"Paul D.Smith" wrote in message
...
...snip...

In order to watch HD, you need an HD TV (thus outlay!). The additional
cost of an HD satellite system is not much on top.

So let's face facts, Freeview is fine for SD but HD can stay on
satellite.
Let's get Freeview with SD, some decent bitrates and 5.1 sound and
recognise that by the time HD takes off, satellite systems will be being
given away with a gallon of petrol ;-).

But no-one will have dis-invented conservation areas and listed buildings.
In fact, I suggest that there will be more of them!

tim



Can anyone answer me this.

Why is a lump of metal and plastic shaped into a satellite dish treated
any differently to a lump of metal and plastic shaped into a TV
aerial?..

It isn't

An aerial in the roof-space works (sort of) a sat dish in the roof space
does not

tim



Well done that man you'll go far.. any others;?..
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