Fancy Mains Cables

"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
om...
I mean it does not take a rocket scientist to work out that
after the huge runs of normal cable from wherever the mains
comes from at your area, one little tiny bit of lead is hardly
going to make much difference. Its not as if they are claiming
better immunity to electronic noise or anything.
As for other interconnects, well, good quality has to start in
the equipment, and as long as crap phono plugs are built in,
any good long lasting connections are out. Indeed the best
investment iis in time to pull them apart every so often and
clean the oxide and general crap off which can do wonders.
With speaker leads, the problem here is one of current and thus
thick ones with a good connection area at each end seems to be
the most obvious thing to have.
Brian


Ah, but you forget Brian, Rip-off Russ advocates the fitment of a
single spur from the incoming supply to feed the hi-fi,
preferably without fuses, and using 6mm (or more) cable
terminated in outlets with gold-plated connectors. The amazing
thing is people fall for this, do it, and believe it improves the
sound!

A properly designed amp with a PROPER regulated power supply and
decent but ordinary speaker cables will have much more effect.

Are these what you want Tony?

http://www.musicdirect.com/product/73452
http://www.russandrews.com/product-C...ators-4227.htm
http://www.soundstage.com/equipment/...dark_field.htm
http://www.audioxsell.com/classified...le-Lifters.htm

These two are a good read as well......................!
http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue36/elevators.htm
http://www.theanalogdept.com/diy_cable_elevators.htm

They ain't all locked up yet........................


--
Woody

harrogate three at ntlworld dot com

In article ,
Woody wrote:
Ah, but you forget Brian, Rip-off Russ advocates the fitment of a
single spur from the incoming supply to feed the hi-fi,
preferably without fuses, and using 6mm (or more) cable
terminated in outlets with gold-plated connectors. The amazing
thing is people fall for this, do it, and believe it improves the
sound!

There is some sense in using a dedicated radial circuit to the Hi-Fi -
there will be less rubbish on it from the myriads of SMPS we all have
these days than on a final ring circuit. Of course it's a moot point as to
whether you'd hear a difference in practice.

--
*If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything.*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In message , Al
writes
Ah, I well remember the famous TED (Tired Electron Distortion) article in a
well known, yellow-covered, HiFi magazine decades ago Sales of D-cells
went through the roof. Sadly, when the buff where told it was just a hoax
there was a backlash of people that really could hear the improvement.
TWBEM.
Wasn't there someone selling squares of bin bag for 7 quid a shot to put
under a corner of your turntable? Admitted to be a hoax but only after
hundreds of golden ears had given it rave reviews.

Not just HiFi buffs. Try this for size:

http://www.theabcd.com/

Mostly for musicians/producers/engineers but a few hifi related bits in it.
I have it, tested myself and it confirmed my thoughts. But then I'm biased.
My father was heavily involved in the hifi/audio/recording industry
It's the shiny new kit syndrome, it costs more and looks good so it must
be better.

Unless it's old enough to be falling apart, then it's 'retro' which
sounds even better still apparently and 'imparts its own unique flavour'
(flakey, distorted, crappy) to the sound which is *always* good as long
as you can either claim to be eclectic or part of a group of similarly
feeble minded nutters.

Doesn't just happen in HiFi or the recording industry though, it happens
everywhere, PC home builders, DIY tool nuts, the blue LED car brigade,
everywhere there's someone willing to make 'marketing' claims (outright
lie or mislead) you'll find a bunch of gullible idiots queuing to be
separated from their cash.

HiFi probably has the greatest number of monied fools so you tend to get
the most ridiculous claims in that market, plus it's easy to find idiots
willing to back up your ridiculous claims.


Al.

--
Clint Sharp

In message , "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote
In article ,
Woody wrote:
Ah, but you forget Brian, Rip-off Russ advocates the fitment of a
single spur from the incoming supply to feed the hi-fi,
preferably without fuses, and using 6mm (or more) cable
terminated in outlets with gold-plated connectors. The amazing
thing is people fall for this, do it, and believe it improves the
sound!

There is some sense in using a dedicated radial circuit to the Hi-Fi -
there will be less rubbish on it from the myriads of SMPS we all have
these days than on a final ring circuit. Of course it's a moot point as to
whether you'd hear a difference in practice.


The problem with Hi-Fi is that the all the source material is 'mixed' by
a partially deaf sound engineer in the first place.
--
Alan
news2006 {at} amac {dot} f2s {dot} com

In article ,
Woody wrote:
Ah, but you forget Brian, Rip-off Russ advocates the fitment of a
single spur from the incoming supply to feed the hi-fi,
preferably without fuses, and using 6mm (or more) cable
terminated in outlets with gold-plated connectors. The amazing
thing is people fall for this, do it, and believe it improves the
sound!

I still find it incredible that these people stand for mains power at
all. All that 50Hz that has to be filtered out... Surely everything
should be powered by (enormous) batteries - separate ones for each
channel and amplification stage of course - and the ideal turntable
would be a flywheel that was disconnected from the power before use.

-- Richard
--
Please remember to mention me / in tapes you leave behind.

In article , Woody
scribeth thus
"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
. com...
I mean it does not take a rocket scientist to work out that
after the huge runs of normal cable from wherever the mains
comes from at your area, one little tiny bit of lead is hardly
going to make much difference. Its not as if they are claiming
better immunity to electronic noise or anything.
As for other interconnects, well, good quality has to start in
the equipment, and as long as crap phono plugs are built in,
any good long lasting connections are out. Indeed the best
investment iis in time to pull them apart every so often and
clean the oxide and general crap off which can do wonders.
With speaker leads, the problem here is one of current and thus
thick ones with a good connection area at each end seems to be
the most obvious thing to have.
Brian


Ah, but you forget Brian, Rip-off Russ advocates the fitment of a
single spur from the incoming supply to feed the hi-fi,
preferably without fuses, and using 6mm (or more) cable
terminated in outlets with gold-plated connectors. The amazing
thing is people fall for this, do it, and believe it improves the
sound!

A properly designed amp with a PROPER regulated power supply and
decent but ordinary speaker cables will have much more effect.

Are these what you want Tony?



Oh!, Yes As well as one of these, wonder what Bill Wright would have
to say?. And they are rumoured to make DAB sound better..


http://www.russandrews.com/product.a...currency=GBP&p
f_id=1814&customer_id=PAA1040055409737MGLONEQDLEZQ SBDB

http://www.musicdirect.com/product/73452
http://www.russandrews.com/product-C...ators-4227.htm
http://www.soundstage.com/equipment/...dark_field.htm
http://www.audioxsell.com/classified...le-Lifters.htm

These two are a good read as well......................!
http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue36/elevators.htm
http://www.theanalogdept.com/diy_cable_elevators.htm

They ain't all locked up yet........................



Class those!..

Is it really true that he uses the same Virgins to weave these earth
cables that were used in Götterdämmerung to weave to rope of destiny?..

Or daren't anyone tell;?..

http://www.russandrews.com/product.a...currency=GBP&p
f_id=1020&customer_id=PAA1040055409737MGLONEQDLEZQ SBDB

--
Tony Sayer

In article , Ian
scribeth thus
In message , tony sayer
writes
In article , Peter Duncanson
scribeth thus
On Sat, 9 May 2009 16:21:12 +0100, Ian Jackson
wrote:

In message , Alan
writes
In message , R. Mark Clayton
wrote


On three of them you could actually identify the MK plugtop (OK they cost a
few pence more), but some Hi_fi buffs must be extremely gullible* to fall
for this kind of guff!


It takes some bollox written about power cables to make most people
realise that ALL the reviews in these magazines are of the same
standard. Reviews with the words "Hi-Fi" are based on the snake oil
claims made by manufactures or sellers or are written by journalists
with no technical knowledge and who far from the flush of youth with
impaired hearing of some sort. (compared to the hearing of a teenager).

What I cannot understand is how those who make absolutely outrageous
claims for their products are not done by Trading Standards. And I'm
sure that some action could also be taken against those who give
'glowing' reviews to these devices.

Will Trading Standards act in the absence of complaints from
dissatisfied customers?

Russ Andrews is yer man for this kind of crap, the advertising standards
authority had a go at him somewhile ago..

Ever heard of speaker cable pylons?..

I have a friend who is an "audiophile".

He has high end stuff, and always insists that analogue and vinyl can't
be beaten.


Wouldn't be a bloke called Keith who lives near the A1 in St Neots and
rides old bikes?...

And uses single ended triode amplifiers;?..
--
Tony Sayer

In article ,
Alan wrote:
The problem with Hi-Fi is that the all the source material is 'mixed' by
a partially deaf sound engineer in the first place.

Make that mastering engineer with pop records and similar processing at
radio transmitters and you'd be close to the truth.

--
*I never drink anything stronger than gin before breakfast *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
tony sayer wrote:
I have a friend who is an "audiophile".

He has high end stuff, and always insists that analogue and vinyl can't
be beaten.


Wouldn't be a bloke called Keith who lives near the A1 in St Neots and
rides old bikes?...

And uses single ended triode amplifiers;?..

And listens to everything in a different room? ;-)

--
*Laugh alone and the world thinks you're an idiot.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 10 May 2009 10:13:27 GMT, (Richard Tobin)
wrote:

I still find it incredible that these people stand for mains power at
all. All that 50Hz that has to be filtered out... Surely everything
should be powered by (enormous) batteries - separate ones for each
channel and amplification stage of course - and the ideal turntable
would be a flywheel that was disconnected from the power before use.

They've only just discovered balanced signal connections. And their
preoccupation with gold-plated plugs and sockets, no-one suggests
directly soldering the cables to the amp. etc. I'm sure a suitably
expensive super-solder could be developed and marketed.

What I do find sad is the assumption in Currys etc. that having bought
a cheap, competent e.g. DVD player you'll spend as much again on
"interconnects".

http://www.laurencepayne.co.uk/cables.html