Plasma TVs to be Banned

In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:

Young whipper-snapper! Red wine is supposed to be served at
room temperature ("chambre'" as they say in French), but that
refers to the temperature of rooms in large houses two hundred years
ago, which wasn't 20C by any means :-)

That would actually be the temperature of the room dedicated to the storage
of wine.

No... "chambre'" is a past participle meaning "brought to room
temperature", the implication being that it was stored at a cooler
temperature.

The normal rooms in houses in France would equal or exceed 20 degh
for much of the year, even without heating.

I imagine the people who coined the term living in large stone
chateaux.

Of course, my comment was not meant seriously.

-- Richard
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In article ,
Clem Dye wrote:

Here here! I find it unbelievable that HMG has the neck to preach to us
about global warming then leave the lights on at night in government
buildings. One rule for us, another for them?

Is there a rule for us that says we mustn't leave the lights on at night?

-- Richard
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Please remember to mention me / in tapes you leave behind.

Richard Tobin wrote:
In article ,
Clem Dye wrote:

Here here! I find it unbelievable that HMG has the neck to preach to us
about global warming then leave the lights on at night in government
buildings. One rule for us, another for them?

Is there a rule for us that says we mustn't leave the lights on at night?

-- Richard

No, not all, but HMG should be doing it's bit by turning the lights off
at night when the buildings are empty. Not only will help with global
warming (if it exists) it will help our collective tax bill. I bet all
of those lights are 100w filament bulbs too!

I object to being lectured to by the bureaucrats when they don't
practice what they preach.


Clem

On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:52:28 GMT, Clem Dye wrote:

Java Jive wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:49:39 GMT, Clem Dye wrote:
Right now they might be, yes, but if global warming really does exist,
who knows, and more importantly, who can say?

So it's completely irrational to relate these two things at random.
....
You posted an irrational diatribe.

Well, it didn't seem irrational to me, only to you as far as I can tell.

I demonstrated its irrationality as above.

Presumably you know how to use the Internet and how to search for things
- that's what I did.

Perhaps I was just unlucky in my search terms, the process can be
rather hit and miss. I note that not giving a link you ducked the
opportunity to discuss something from a slightly more reputable
source.

Ah, an earth warrior type!

Stick to the facts.

I'm not trying to deflect the argument at all.

Intentionally or otherwise, I believe the former, you divert from it
by using irrelevant epithets in a derisory manner.

Yawn. As I've said before, for every argument/paper/theseis/whatever
that claims that global warming exists and we're all doomed there are
arguments against.

And as I've said before ...

Then you either genuinely don't understand the science, or more likely
from the tone of your diatribe, don't want to understand it, probably
because you don't want to face the responsibilities such understanding
inevitably brings - behaviour which, to me at least, appears rather
juvenile.

Your quoting links reminds of someone who shouts
louder in an argument just to try and get their point across to the
exclusion of all others.

It's the normal ng method of supporting an argument with facts. By
contrast, I and doubtless others will note that you simply repeat
unsupported assertions that have no basis in fact.

As a [vague] point of interest do you have some sort of scientific
background? You seem to make a lot of bold claims about your abilities
and so forth. That said, I'm not really that interested.

See my reply to Bill.

I've made no absolute scientific claims in my posts at all, just a
general discussion.

Yes you did, again without supporting evidence ...

under the mantle of global warming,
something that cannot be conclusively proved at present (at least to my
satisfaction).

Still, we'll have to agree to differ. You demonstrate the
sort of closed mind thinking that borders on the irrational, but hey,
that's your perogative.

Bah! Hypocritical pots and kettles. Plonk!

On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:37:28 GMT, Clem Dye wrote:

Richard Tobin wrote:
In article ,
Clem Dye wrote:

Here here! I find it unbelievable that HMG has the neck to preach to us
about global warming then leave the lights on at night in government
buildings. One rule for us, another for them?

Is there a rule for us that says we mustn't leave the lights on at night?

-- Richard

No, not all, but HMG should be doing it's bit by turning the lights off
at night when the buildings are empty. Not only will help with global
warming (if it exists) it will help our collective tax bill. I bet all
of those lights are 100w filament bulbs too!

It's a long time since I was in a government building, but I would have
thought that most of the lights in ordinary offices, corridors, etc, would be
fluorescent.

The university I worked in for years used fluorescents extensively because
they are much more efficient and cheaper to run than incandescent lights or,
as we now say, they are "energy saving".

I object to being lectured to by the bureaucrats when they don't
practice what they preach.

If they are using fluorescent lighting they are decades ahead of the domestic
user.

"Java Jive" wrote in message
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On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 07:24:32 +0000, Kennedy McEwen
wrote:
(While, in passing, elsewhere in the world it's a completely different
story. In Africa, many children of poor families take turn in shifts
to do their homework under the household's single electric light bulb,
and the last thing they need is surplus heat!)

No, the last thing they need are affliuent westerners telling them they
can't have cheap electricity because of global warming. "Sorry Africa, we've
had our industrial revolution and a hundred years of cheap power to generate
our prosperity, but you'll have to do without because we believe in
something called global warming." So in African villages food and medicine
for babies goes unrefrigerated. Well done you greenies!

Bill

"Java Jive" wrote in message
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On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 02:46:10 -0000, "Bill Wright"
wrote:
Can I recommend Nigel Lawson's excellent book:

No. I have a 1st Class Hons with Distinction in technical subjects,
Lawson does not. I was trained as an experimental scientist, Lawson
was not. I have been reading round the subject for years, Lawson has
not.

So your innate elitism (or intellectual snobbery) gives you a justification
for not looking at something you might not agree with. Lawson cites hundreds
of sources, and the authors of some of these documents might even be as
clever as you.

Bill

"Clem Dye" wrote in message
m...
Java Jive wrote:
No. I have a 1st Class Hons with Distinction in technical subjects,
Lawson does not. I was trained as an experimental scientist, Lawson
was not. I have been reading round the subject for years, Lawson has
not.
What technical subjects? I didn't know that you could get such an honours
degree.

Actually I'm a bit surprised he's wasting his time on here agruing with me,
an installer of domestic TV aerials. If Lawson isn't worth his while
bothering with, why am I?

Actually there's a danger that others here might not have 1st Class Hons
with Distinction. I think he just likes slumming!

Bill

"Clem Dye" wrote in message ...
Java Jive wrote:
Not really. Still, we'll have to agree to differ. You demonstrate the sort
of closed mind thinking that borders on the irrational, but hey, that's
your perogative.

Don't forget that Global Warming has become a religon with some people. It
isn't a matter of rationality, just one of using the Faith as a
justification for interfering with other people's lives.

Bill

Bill Wright wrote:

No. I have a 1st Class Hons with Distinction in technical subjects,
Lawson does not. I was trained as an experimental scientist, Lawson
was not. I have been reading round the subject for years, Lawson has
not.
What technical subjects? I didn't know that you could get such an honours degree.

Actually I'm a bit surprised he's wasting his time on here agruing with me, an installer of domestic TV aerials. If Lawson isn't worth his while bothering with, why am I?

Actually there's a danger that others here might not have 1st Class Hons with Distinction. I think he just likes slumming!

Bill


No such thing as a distinction at degree level. It is either first, upper second,
lower second, third or fail.