Channel 4 pulls out of DAB

Agamemnon wrote:
In Europe Betamax outsold VHS because it was higher quality.
The only reason why VHS held on to win is because in the US VHS tapes
were twice the length you could possibly get on Betamax using the NTSC
system and by that time VHS HQ and Hi-Fi stereo had arrived which was
better that the original specification.

That is complete ********.

Betamax did not out sell VHS in Europe, *despite* being technically
superior. The reason VHS beat Betamax was because it cornered the porn
and rental market first.

Playback times were actually about 8% shorter for NTSC for both formats.

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Edster wrote:
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Edster wrote:
I bought a Wavefinder when they dropped down to £150, I had about a
year of good use out of it before it all turned into ****e. I got it
expecting the World Service to be in stereo, and got rid of it when
Radio 4 became mono.

Radio 4 is mono on FM too.

False.

Yes it's false - but then so is saying it's mono on DAB. Take it up with
Edster.

It was when I got rid of my DAB radio. What it is now is irrelevant
since I would never buy another one.

It never went totally mono on DAB.

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Why would people who no longer own a DAB radio bother to complain
about the terrible quality of DAB radios?

You, for one, do. Apparently.

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Agamemnon wrote:

Add FM radio over Medium Wave.

And don't forget that when FM took off, in the 80s, there was less
choice on FM than there was on MW. Most of the time you couldn't even
get Radio 1 on FM, and yet FM started to sell faster than MW.


In fact all you had was R1 sharing with R2, and R3 sharing with R4 and
no local stations outside London.

More ********, R1 and 2 did indeed share, but I don't recall R3 and 4
ever doing the same. Why would they have done ?

Also the UK's first local radio station was BBC R.Leicester in 1967,
three years in advance of BBC R.London.

By 1973 there were 20 BBC local stations, and by 1976 19 ILR stations,
with a grand total of three local stations in London.

On 2008-10-13, Agamemnon wrote:
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On 2008-10-11, Agamemnon wrote:
satisfied with the present DAB. What people want is quality, not
qunatity.
Experience seems to suggest that this is exactly wrong.
In Europe Betamax outsold VHS because it was higher quality. The only reason
why VHS held on to win is because in the US VHS tapes were twice the length
you could possibly get on Betamax using the NTSC system and by that time VHS

So VHS did well because you could get more quantity on the tapes, even though
Beta was better quality? Doesn't that sort of argue my point?

See above. Add 12inch 33 1/3rpm LPs and 45s over 78 inch discs. Add FM radio
over Medium Wave. Add the Marconi's 405 line system over Baird's 32 line

FM can provide more channels than MW.

system. Add mp3 over mp2. Add 1280 line HDTV over 720 line HDTV.

MP3 allows more music at a given quality in a given space than mp2.
Many more 720p TVs are being sold than 1080p. (Not 1280)

On 2008-10-13, Paul Ratcliffe wrote:
On 13 Oct 2008 10:24:59 GMT, Paul Murray wrote:
What people want is quality, not qunatity.
More ********, I'm afraid. Just look at any viewing/ listening figures.
I would suspect the reason not many people listen to Radio 3 would be
more because of its content than because of its high quality.
Plowman
Don't talk crap. If R3 lowered the audio quality on their feed, they would
get more listeners. It's obvious innit?
/Plowman
If that lowered quality meant that they could produce two stations rather
than one, that might well be true.
So, you're saying they'd get more listeners per station then? Somehow I
doubt it.

No, that isn't what I said.
Adding ITV2,3,4, More4, E4, FiveUS, etc... has probably slightly lowered
watching figures for the main channels, but increased overall figures.

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Experience suggests that I am 100% correct. Quality is what sold 625
line TV and Colour TV, CD and then NICAM stereo followed by DVD and
High Definition.


Hmm, not too sure if 'quality' was the driving force behind buying these
products. We bought our first 625/Colour TV in 1976, only when the spares
could no longer be found for the unreliable, valve driven 405 line set. I

Right, and how much did the spares cost compared with buying a second hand
625 line B/W TV?

would say in most cases that people only 'upgraded' when their previous
product was no longer maintainable.

When the price of a superior product became affordable. In 1976 the prices
of second hand colour TVs, ex hotel stock etc. cost the same as a new B/W,
but the TV licence fee was still 3 times that of B/W. A new colour TV back
then would have cost the same as a 2,000 plasma/LCD screen today.

It wasn't until about 1980 that new Colour TVs became affordable and
reliable. Most of the TVs before then were all Valve based and completely
unreliable and took ages and ages to warm up. In 1980 you got TVs which
started up instantly, though Sony got there first in the mid 70's if you
could afford one.


I only bought a CD player when certain albums I wanted were no longer
issued on vinyl in the 1990's. I got my first NICAM video when the
previous
mono video wore out etc..etc.


It wasn't until the mid 1990's that CD players became affordable to
everyone. NICAM videos went down to £100 by 2000.

I still don't have a DAB radio, but that's because my current FM radio
works well which I expect it to do for years to come. I guess that is why
(according to your figures) 90% of the population do not have DAB as the
current FM offering is adequate.

Yes, and the only reason more DAB radios are being sold today than 10 years
ago is because DAB is included as part of the tuner along with FM and AM at
no extra cost. People are not buying DAB radios because its DAB. They are
primarily buying FM/AM radios which have DAB on them.

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Agamemnon wrote:
Two stations for what purpose? You already have a choice of Radio 3 or
Classic FM. It's exactly the same music.

Goof grief. Another two stations you've never listened to.

You obviously can't remember the tunes and composers either as well as being
deaf.

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Agamemnon wrote:

"Richard Evans" wrote in message
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Agamemnon wrote:

Add FM radio over Medium Wave.

And don't forget that when FM took off, in the 80s, there was less
choice on FM than there was on MW. Most of the time you couldn't even
get Radio 1 on FM, and yet FM started to sell faster than MW.


In fact all you had was R1 sharing with R2, and R3 sharing with R4 and no
local stations outside London.

More ********, R1 and 2 did indeed share, but I don't recall R3 and 4 ever
doing the same. Why would they have done ?

They put the cricket coverage on R3 FM during the day which originated from
Radio 4 and also Schools Programmes. It wasn't until the early 80s that R3
and R4 were given separate frequencies and it wasn't until the mid to late
80s that R1 and R2 were given their own frequencies.


Also the UK's first local radio station was BBC R.Leicester in 1967, three
years in advance of BBC R.London.

Was it on FM?


By 1973 there were 20 BBC local stations, and by 1976 19 ILR stations,
with a grand total of three local stations in London.

How many were on FM?

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Agamemnon wrote:
is lower. I'd be interested in an example of mainstream success for a
quality over quantity situation.

See above. Add 12inch 33 1/3rpm LPs and 45s over 78 inch discs.

More rubbish. LPs did *not* 'add quality' over 78 rpm discs - merely
quantity in terms of longer playing times.

ABSOLUTE POPPYCOCK!

LPs used a completely different a far superior stylus from 78s and thus gave
improved sound quality at reduced rpms. The frequency response of 78s was
only about 10kHz. LPs gave a frequency response that was more than double
that.