Channel 4 pulls out of DAB

"Paul Murray" wrote in message
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On 2008-10-12, Paul Ratcliffe wrote:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 09:45:02 +0100, Edster wrote:
What people want is quality, not qunatity.
More ********, I'm afraid. Just look at any viewing/ listening figures.
I would suspect the reason not many people listen to Radio 3 would be
more because of its content than because of its high quality.
Plowman
Don't talk crap. If R3 lowered the audio quality on their feed, they
would
get more listeners. It's obvious innit?
/Plowman

If that lowered quality meant that they could produce two stations rather
than one, that might well be true.

Two stations for what purpose? You already have a choice of Radio 3 or
Classic FM. It's exactly the same music. There is only enough advertising
for two national independent radio stations, Classic FM and Virgin (whatever
is called now). Channel 4 and their predecessors attempts to create a dozen
quazi-national stations, all catering for teenagers were always doomed to
failure. They were all funded by premium rate telephone line scams and after
they were exposed for what they were the stations were doomed.

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Paul Ratcliffe wrote:
but logic certainly isn't your forte.

With 30 years of messing about with various computer systems, and having
to deal with a lot of logic, I would beg to differ.

So it's actually just plain stupidity, then? The inability to read
carefully?

Try taking your evidence and proof to any academic/scientist who knows
about such experimentation and you would just be laughed out of the
place.

Quite the reverse, dear boy. You'd be amazed how many people don't really
know what they're listening to when put to the test...

You are just a ****ing moron and a disgrace to our industry.

....and I'm willing to bet you're one of them.

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*Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

Dave Plowman London SW
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Agamemnon wrote:

Add FM
radio over Medium Wave.

And don't forget that when FM took off, in the 80s, there was less
choice on FM than there was on MW. Most of the time you couldn't even
get Radio 1 on FM, and yet FM started to sell faster than MW.

Richard E.

"Agamemnon" wrote in
:


Experience suggests that I am 100% correct. Quality is what sold 625
line TV and Colour TV, CD and then NICAM stereo followed by DVD and
High Definition.


Hmm, not too sure if 'quality' was the driving force behind buying these
products. We bought our first 625/Colour TV in 1976, only when the spares
could no longer be found for the unreliable, valve driven 405 line set. I
would say in most cases that people only 'upgraded' when their previous
product was no longer maintainable.

I only bought a CD player when certain albums I wanted were no longer
issued on vinyl in the 1990's. I got my first NICAM video when the previous
mono video wore out etc..etc.

I still don't have a DAB radio, but that's because my current FM radio
works well which I expect it to do for years to come. I guess that is why
(according to your figures) 90% of the population do not have DAB as the
current FM offering is adequate.

//Clive.

In article ,
Paul Martin wrote:
In article ,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article en.co.uk,
Roderick Stewart wrote:
I've bought CDs because they're more convenient and they sound
better, but no matter how much they lower the price of DAB receivers
they won't be any more convenient (certainly not the portable ones)
and they won't sound any better - so what's the point?

There have been lots of comment on modern CDs being over processed in
mastering. So don't think the medium you like is incapable of being
ruined.

Of course! Louder is better. And you're happy with this state of affairs?

Didn't say I was. And the processing used on many radio stations annoys me
too.

Clipped audio is also hard on perceptual encoders (MP3, MP2, AAC,
Vorbis, etc) and multiband dynamics compression systems.

Quite.

Other thing is many will sit down and listen to their choice of music
from CD etc - but rarely do to the radio.

I don't know. I'm partial to a bit of Desmond Carrington myself.

I'd say you're part of a small minority.

Easy to do a straw pole. How many FM aerials do you see as a percentage of
TV ones? It's probably a fair to guess that the majority listen to radio
every day - but just how many under decent conditions on a decent audio
system?

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Dave Plowman London SW
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DAB sounds worse than FM [email protected] wrote:
HDTV seems to be doing pretty well the last time I saw take-up
figures, and that is purely offering quality and very little quantity.

But not audio quality judging by some of the progs I've watched.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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In article ,
Agamemnon wrote:
is lower. I'd be interested in an example of mainstream success for a
quality over quantity situation.

See above. Add 12inch 33 1/3rpm LPs and 45s over 78 inch discs.

More rubbish. LPs did *not* 'add quality' over 78 rpm discs - merely
quantity in terms of longer playing times.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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In article ,
Agamemnon wrote:
Indeed - no demand for it. Which has got nothing to do with the
bitrate on DAB.

There is no demand for it because the system used to broadcast it is
dire and doesn't work when you are on the move.

So we cab add the fact you know nothing about mobile reception to those
about DAB and AM?

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Dave Plowman London SW
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In article ,
Agamemnon wrote:
Two stations for what purpose? You already have a choice of Radio 3 or
Classic FM. It's exactly the same music.

Goof grief. Another two stations you've never listened to.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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"Richard Evans" wrote in message
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Agamemnon wrote:

Add FM radio over Medium Wave.

And don't forget that when FM took off, in the 80s, there was less choice
on FM than there was on MW. Most of the time you couldn't even get Radio 1
on FM, and yet FM started to sell faster than MW.


In fact all you had was R1 sharing with R2, and R3 sharing with R4 and no
local stations outside London. On MW and LW you could listen to lots of
foreign stations as well as the 4 BBC stations. It wasn't until the late 70s
and 80s that portable receivers became affordable attached to ghetto
blasters, therefore FM had to cater for listeners who wanted quality since
they were the only people able to afford the receivers when they first came
out, attached to Hi-Fi systems. DAB on the other hand was never high
fidelity. It was as still is pure garbage. Ofcom or the Radio Authority back
then should have imposed minimum bit rates of 256 or 320 kbps like the
Europeans did and made the format future proof since mp3 at 256 kpbs offers
no sound quality advantage over mp2 at 256kbps. In fact they should have
adopted AAC at minimum bit rates of 160kbps from the start. DAB was a
complete fiasco.


Richard E.