Will there ever be a RECORDABLE Blue Ray disk some day?

On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 03:55:26 GMT Dave Oldridge wrote:
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| t knowledge of the pipeline and conversion produced a 250 TBOn Wed, 09
| Jul 2008 11:23:06 -0500 wrote:
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|| Question for the group
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|| Will there ever be a RECORDABLE Blue Ray disk some day?
|
| I moved this to a new thread. It seems to need a new thread. The old
| one got rather polluted.
|
| IMHO, recordable optical disks, especially those that need a whole new
| device every time they come out with a larger disk technology, are
| eventually on their way out. Hard drives just went through a change
| from IDE to SATA while many can just work using USB and Firewire,
| regardless of how big they get. So in the future when 4TB hard drives
| are out, and 1TB drives are dirt cheap and can fit in your pocket, who
| really needs BluRay for recording purposes other than to provide
| something playable by hold-outs that can't play anything else. And
| flash media will be making its inroads, too, as these get cheaper in
| the sizes suitable for an HD movie (e.g. a 16GB SDHC card or USB key
| for dirt cheap in the future). The hassles of optical disks,
| especially of Blu-Ray and its poor surface design and restrictive
| DRM-encumbered licensing, will limit what they get used for in the
| future.
|
| Herder rumor from a moderately reliable source the other day that there
| will be 250 TB storage devices available. Fairly soon.

Let's see. I can get 18 1TB drives in 9 blade slots in 3U of rack space,
with the drives stacked 1 front and 1 back per blade. Put 14 of these in
a 42U rack, and that hits 252TB. It can be done today if someone wants
to pay for it (and the power and A/C for it).

Now, do you want it in a small deskside pedestal? That would take some work.

Oh, you probably mean 250TB in a single drive form factor. That would be nice.

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On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 05:10:28 +0000, phil-news-nospam wrote:

| http://www.tvtechnology.com/pages/s.0114/t.14405.html

Relevant, but not of interest to me. It would require yet another
player or recorder be purchased. I can stuff 4 1TB hard drives in my
PC. By the time this is on the market at commodity pricing (if ever) I
can probably stuff 4 4TB hard drives in my PC, or 4 1TB flash drives.

Where is the market for a 400GB optical disk? As a distribution media
for a movie, it's way overkill. It could deliver one or two whole TV
seasons in HD, but that's only a fraction of the pre-recorded content
market. As to home recording, I just don't see it as being adopted.
But it might be used by really massive HD gaming, or delivery of those
5120x2160p120 ultra definition cinema wide movies I predict we will see
in the future ... once the display devices hit the market with it.

Don't know about anyone else, but I'd love a 400GB optical drive for
backup storage. When I can get one for $100 that uses media under $10,
I'll buy it.:-)

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On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:09:41 +0000 (UTC) Wes Newell wrote:
| On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 05:10:28 +0000, phil-news-nospam wrote:
|
| | http://www.tvtechnology.com/pages/s.0114/t.14405.html
|
| Relevant, but not of interest to me. It would require yet another
| player or recorder be purchased. I can stuff 4 1TB hard drives in my
| PC. By the time this is on the market at commodity pricing (if ever) I
| can probably stuff 4 4TB hard drives in my PC, or 4 1TB flash drives.
|
| Where is the market for a 400GB optical disk? As a distribution media
| for a movie, it's way overkill. It could deliver one or two whole TV
| seasons in HD, but that's only a fraction of the pre-recorded content
| market. As to home recording, I just don't see it as being adopted.
| But it might be used by really massive HD gaming, or delivery of those
| 5120x2160p120 ultra definition cinema wide movies I predict we will see
| in the future ... once the display devices hit the market with it.
|
| Don't know about anyone else, but I'd love a 400GB optical drive for
| backup storage. When I can get one for $100 that uses media under $10,
| I'll buy it.:-)

I wouldn't consider it for backup. However, it might be useful for archiving.

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On Wed, 09 Jul 2008 23:58:39 -0500 Steve Cutchen wrote:
| On Wed, 09 Jul 2008 11:23:06 -0500 wrote:
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| | Question for the group
| |
| | Will there ever be a RECORDABLE Blue Ray disk some day?
|
| There already is, duh. That's how they get the movies on there and
| stuff.
|
| Who would buy a blank Blue-Ray?
|
| Shesh.

Is Blu-Ray different than DVD? With DVD, there is a difference between a
recordable disc, and a manufactured disc. The former works well one at a
time, while the latter requires expensive setups and doesn't break even in
cost until some large number of discs are made. The manufactured discs are
the "silver" discs that are more resistant to light and heat. Recordable
uses a dye that when exposed to a high laser intensity will become darker,
create a pattern similar to the holes in the "silver" of manufactured discs.

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On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 03:55:26 GMT Dave Oldridge
wrote:
| wrote in :
|
| t knowledge of the pipeline and conversion produced a 250 TBOn Wed,
| 09
| Jul 2008 11:23:06 -0500 wrote:
|
|| Question for the group
||
|| Will there ever be a RECORDABLE Blue Ray disk some day?
|
| I moved this to a new thread. It seems to need a new thread. The
| old one got rather polluted.
|
| IMHO, recordable optical disks, especially those that need a whole
| new device every time they come out with a larger disk technology,
| are eventually on their way out. Hard drives just went through a
| change from IDE to SATA while many can just work using USB and
| Firewire, regardless of how big they get. So in the future when 4TB
| hard drives are out, and 1TB drives are dirt cheap and can fit in
| your pocket, who really needs BluRay for recording purposes other
| than to provide something playable by hold-outs that can't play
| anything else. And flash media will be making its inroads, too, as
| these get cheaper in the sizes suitable for an HD movie (e.g. a 16GB
| SDHC card or USB key for dirt cheap in the future). The hassles of
| optical disks, especially of Blu-Ray and its poor surface design and
| restrictive DRM-encumbered licensing, will limit what they get used
| for in the future.
|
| Herder rumor from a moderately reliable source the other day that
| there will be 250 TB storage devices available. Fairly soon.

Let's see. I can get 18 1TB drives in 9 blade slots in 3U of rack
space, with the drives stacked 1 front and 1 back per blade. Put 14
of these in a 42U rack, and that hits 252TB. It can be done today if
someone wants to pay for it (and the power and A/C for it).

Now, do you want it in a small deskside pedestal? That would take
some work.

Oh, you probably mean 250TB in a single drive form factor. That would
be nice.

This was supposedly some form of non-volatile chip.



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On Wed, 09 Jul 2008 11:23:06 -0500 wrote:

| Question for the group
|
| Will there ever be a RECORDABLE Blue Ray disk some day?

I moved this to a new thread. It seems to need a new thread. The old one
got rather polluted.

IMHO, recordable optical disks, especially those that need a whole new
device
every time they come out with a larger disk technology, are eventually on
their
way out. Hard drives just went through a change from IDE to SATA while
many
can just work using USB and Firewire, regardless of how big they get. So
in
the future when 4TB hard drives are out, and 1TB drives are dirt cheap and
can
fit in your pocket, who really needs BluRay for recording purposes other
than
to provide something playable by hold-outs that can't play anything else.
And
flash media will be making its inroads, too, as these get cheaper in the
sizes
suitable for an HD movie (e.g. a 16GB SDHC card or USB key for dirt cheap
in
the future). The hassles of optical disks, especially of Blu-Ray and its
poor
surface design and restrictive DRM-encumbered licensing, will limit what
they
get used for in the future.

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