Shy HD and DD 5.1 over HDMI

Agamemnon wrote:

I setup a PS3 to a Yamaha 7.1 AV amp the other day. output to SIM2
D80e projector, KEF 5005.2 speaker package with 2 extra speakers for
7.1. The PS3 connected only with HDMI to the amp detected 7.1 surround
sound and played audio in fun 5.1 and 7.1 as required on the bluray.

Right. So was it 24bit 96kHz? I doubt it, if the copyright flag was set.
It was most probably down-sampled by the player before being passed to
the amp.


That I will check for you tomorrow and report back.

Glenn...

Glenn Millar wrote:
Agamemnon wrote:

I setup a PS3 to a Yamaha 7.1 AV amp the other day. output to SIM2
D80e projector, KEF 5005.2 speaker package with 2 extra speakers for
7.1. The PS3 connected only with HDMI to the amp detected 7.1
surround sound and played audio in fun 5.1 and 7.1 as required on the
bluray.

Right. So was it 24bit 96kHz? I doubt it, if the copyright flag was
set. It was most probably down-sampled by the player before being
passed to the amp.


That I will check for you tomorrow and report back.

Glenn...

just to add, the setup above is all running HDMI 1.3

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Glenn Millar wrote:
Agamemnon wrote:

I setup a PS3 to a Yamaha 7.1 AV amp the other day. output to SIM2 D80e
projector, KEF 5005.2 speaker package with 2 extra speakers for 7.1.
The PS3 connected only with HDMI to the amp detected 7.1 surround sound
and played audio in fun 5.1 and 7.1 as required on the bluray.

Right. So was it 24bit 96kHz? I doubt it, if the copyright flag was set.
It was most probably down-sampled by the player before being passed to
the amp.


That I will check for you tomorrow and report back.

Glenn...

just to add, the setup above is all running HDMI 1.3

Don't know about HDMI but I have HDCP 1.1. Apparently according to my manual
my HDMI output may not be able to carry 96KHz audio at all but its not clear
what the functionality applies to. "This function (LPCM SELECT) is not
effective for the HDMI output", but it wouldn't be necessary to select
output format to LPCM or not with HDMI since that is negotiated with the
amp.

Below that it says

"When playing disc with copy protection
The sound will be down sampled to 48kHz (44.1kHz) even if you set (LPCM
SELECT) to OFF."

Below that there's a section on DOLBY DIGITAL BITSTREAM which it says is
available on HDMI.

"Agamemnon" wrote:


"Glenn Millar" wrote in message
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Glenn Millar wrote:
Agamemnon wrote:

I setup a PS3 to a Yamaha 7.1 AV amp the other day. output to SIM2 D80e
projector, KEF 5005.2 speaker package with 2 extra speakers for 7.1.
The PS3 connected only with HDMI to the amp detected 7.1 surround sound
and played audio in fun 5.1 and 7.1 as required on the bluray.

Right. So was it 24bit 96kHz? I doubt it, if the copyright flag was set.
It was most probably down-sampled by the player before being passed to
the amp.


That I will check for you tomorrow and report back.

Glenn...

just to add, the setup above is all running HDMI 1.3

Don't know about HDMI but I have HDCP 1.1. Apparently according to my manual
my HDMI output may not be able to carry 96KHz audio at all but its not clear
what the functionality applies to. "This function (LPCM SELECT) is not
effective for the HDMI output", but it wouldn't be necessary to select
output format to LPCM or not with HDMI since that is negotiated with the
amp.

Below that it says

"When playing disc with copy protection
The sound will be down sampled to 48kHz (44.1kHz) even if you set (LPCM
SELECT) to OFF."

Below that there's a section on DOLBY DIGITAL BITSTREAM which it says is
available on HDMI.

So in answer to the OP's question, it seems that 5.1 *can* be carried by
HDMI. What a surprise.

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Dave Farrance

"Agamemnon" wrote:

The HDCP spec is the issue. 96kHz 24bit audio transmission is forbidden for
all domestic interfaces.

Cite? The Wikipedia article says otherwise.

Your telly goes wrong so it must be all the broadcaster's fault. Your
player can't do something so it must be all the fault of the standards
organizations. ;-)

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"Agamemnon" wrote:

The HDCP spec is the issue. 96kHz 24bit audio transmission is forbidden
for
all domestic interfaces.

Cite? The Wikipedia article says otherwise.

Your telly goes wrong so it must be all the broadcaster's fault. Your
player can't do something so it must be all the fault of the standards
organizations. ;-)

Yes it is and they should have all been sued by trading standards and put in
jail before they were allowed to sell me equipment that is totally incapable
of transferring HD audio to a digital amp even though it was advertised with
HDMI and HDCP.

"When playing back a copyright-protected 96kHz (88.2kHz) linear PCM DVD, the
digital sound will be down-sampled at 48kHz (44.1kHz), even is you set LPCM
to OFF"

What use is that?

"Agamemnon" wrote:


"Dave Farrance" wrote in message
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"Agamemnon" wrote:

The HDCP spec is the issue. 96kHz 24bit audio transmission is forbidden
for all domestic interfaces.

Cite? The Wikipedia article says otherwise... Your player can't do
something so it must be all the fault of the standards organizations...

Yes it is...

Cite?

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"Agamemnon" wrote:


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"Agamemnon" wrote:

The HDCP spec is the issue. 96kHz 24bit audio transmission is forbidden
for all domestic interfaces.

Cite? The Wikipedia article says otherwise... Your player can't do
something so it must be all the fault of the standards organizations...

Yes it is...

Cite?

Why did you cut what I wrote?

I will cite it again.

"Yes it is and they should have all been sued by trading standards and put
in
jail before they were allowed to sell me equipment that is totally incapable
of transferring HD audio to a digital amp even though it was advertised with
HDMI and HDCP.

"When playing back a copyright-protected 96kHz (88.2kHz) linear PCM DVD, the
digital sound will be down-sampled at 48kHz (44.1kHz), even is you set LPCM
to OFF"

What use is that?"

Denon DVD-1920 manual.

Dave Farrance wrote:
"Agamemnon" wrote:


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"Agamemnon" wrote:

The HDCP spec is the issue. 96kHz 24bit audio transmission is
forbidden for all domestic interfaces.

Cite? The Wikipedia article says otherwise... Your player can't do
something so it must be all the fault of the standards
organizations...

Yes it is...

Cite?

From http://www.hdmi.org/learningcenter/kb.aspx


Q. Does HDMI support Dolby 5.1 audio and high-resolution audio formats?
Yes. From the start, HDMI was defined to carry 8-channels, of 192kHz, 24-bit
uncompressed audio, which exceeds all current consumer media formats. In
addition, HDMI can carry any flavor of compressed audio format such as Dolby
or DTS. (Such compressed formats are the only multi-channel or
high-resolution audio formats that can be carried across the older S/PDIF or
AES/EBU interfaces.) Additionally, most existing HDMI sources can output any
compressed stream, and the newer sources can output uncompressed 6-channel,
96kHz audio from a DVD-Audio disk. There are A/V receivers on the market
that can accept and process the 6- or 8-channel audio from HDMI.



So it would appear that once again Agamoron has got wrong.
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Dave Farrance wrote:
"Agamemnon" wrote:


"Dave Farrance" wrote in
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"Agamemnon" wrote:

The HDCP spec is the issue. 96kHz 24bit audio transmission is
forbidden for all domestic interfaces.

Cite? The Wikipedia article says otherwise... Your player can't do
something so it must be all the fault of the standards
organizations...

Yes it is...

Cite?

From http://www.hdmi.org/learningcenter/kb.aspx


Q. Does HDMI support Dolby 5.1 audio and high-resolution audio formats?
Yes. From the start, HDMI was defined to carry 8-channels, of 192kHz,
24-bit uncompressed audio, which exceeds all current consumer media
formats. In addition, HDMI can carry any flavor of compressed audio format
such as Dolby or DTS. (Such compressed formats are the only multi-channel
or high-resolution audio formats that can be carried across the older
S/PDIF or AES/EBU interfaces.) Additionally, most existing HDMI sources
can output any compressed stream, and the newer sources can output
uncompressed 6-channel, 96kHz audio from a DVD-Audio disk. There are A/V
receivers on the market that can accept and process the 6- or 8-channel
audio from HDMI.



So it would appear that once again Agamoron has got wrong.

WRONG!

What you quote above is a blatant lie and trading standards should take
action against HDMI.org for misleading the consumer. My DVD player can play
DVD-Audio discs BUT with will NOT output uncompressed 6-channel, 96kHz audio
from a DVD-Audio disc or anything else if it is COPYRIGHTED! Note the word
COPYRIGHTED! If the material is COPYRIGHTED HDMI will NOT output it unless
it is resampled to 48kHz.

"When playing back a copyright-protected 96kHz (88.2kHz) linear PCM DVD, the
digital sound will be down-sampled at 48kHz (44.1kHz), even if you set LPCM
to OFF" Denon DVD-1920 manual. HDCP 1.1