Should I quit Virginmedia?

tony sayer wrote:

Eeyore scribeth thus
tony sayer wrote:
Eeyore scribeth thus
naza wrote:

but how many people get full 8mbps.

Me for one !

Exactly you for ONE. One person does not reflect the state of the
whole network.

I gather the average speed on MAX is around 5 Mbps.


Because you were getting crap speeds on VM does not
mean that every single person who joins VM or are connected to VM are
getting the same service. The Same for ADSL just becuase your getting
a great service does not mean everyone else is. There are probally
people out there who are with IDnet who dont get the same speeds as
you, yet they will get the same level of customer service.
How many Customers Does IDnet have exactly?

I have no exact idea. They have a fair number of largish business
customers. Quality you see.

Problem is if their any good they'll get swallowed up and bought out by
some bigger outfit .. like some have done already;(...

Only if they want to sell. It's currently a family business AIUI.

Even worse someone will make them an offer they can't refuse;!..

You can ALWAYS refuse.

OR take the money and set up again with cash in hand. No great loss there
perhaps.


Same is potentially true of ANY company in ANY line of business. I fail to
see why you even mentioned it.

Because regretfully .. it happens;(...

So are you one of those people who never does anything 'because it might go
wrong' (someday) ?

Graham

Carl Waring wrote:

tony sayer wrote:
Eeyore scribeth thus

Actual download speeds can vary from below 2 Mbps during peak times,
up to a maximum of 7.15 Mbps.

.... Hmmm. No answer from the donkey as yet. No surprise there then ;-)

And how fast is VM ?

100 kbps ?

NO ISP can guarantee flat-out speed ever second of every day.

You're using a strawman arguemnt.

**** off.

Carl Waring wrote:

naza wrote:

How many Customers Does IDnet have exactly?

I don't think anyone except IDnet will be able to answer that. I have tried
to find a figure on their web site but it seems they don't produce the same
kind of Quaterly results as, say, VM.

As a private company they don't have to.

Graham

Carl Waring wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Idnet can say this (and they do) .

"No contention on our network is achieved by not oversubscribing our
broadband services and ensuring that bandwidth investment exceeds
customer demand. This means that our goals of the highest performance
and reliability can be maintained"
http://www.idnet.net/solutions/homeofficebroadband.jsp#

That's ALL it takes. It's called investment. VM doesn't (can't)
invest since it's mired in debt. That's why it's crap.

Well yeah, but IDnet are what size (and have how many customers) compared to
VM? If you're only small you don't need to spend as much money, do you?

Are you really that dim ? Have you never heard of the supposed economies of
scale ?

I imagine Idnet probably spend MORE of their income on infrastructure than VM
do.

Graham

naza wrote:

BT however are apparently currently thinking more along the lines of
using fibre to the cabinet and using ADSL2+ thereafter.

Probably because its the only way to get the coverage. Its also
interesting to note that presently BT have no incentive to do this, as
they won't make any revenue out of it.

They are apparently thinking of doing it as part of their 21CN project.
Because it will enable them to make new revenue of course. I imagine they
have VOD in mind etc.

That is very unlikley by the outlook. BT have around 85,000 street
cabinets and I took a look at a few resoruces it would mean a lot of
money to get all of them hooked up to a street cabinet and then
install a small DSLAM which would cost in the range of £5000-£10000.

Where do you get a price like that ? Volume manufacture can bring prices way
down.


It is being trialled at the moment just like FTTH was. Would not get
your hopes up just yet. The cost of 21CN at the moment is quite big
already so doing a FFTC nationwide would definatly be expensive.

I imagine they would phase it in. Heck, the cable companies did it didn't they
?

Graham

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scribeth thus


Carl Waring wrote:

tony sayer wrote:
Eeyore scribeth thus

Actual download speeds can vary from below 2 Mbps during peak times,
up to a maximum of 7.15 Mbps.

.... Hmmm. No answer from the donkey as yet. No surprise there then ;-)

And how fast is VM ?

100 kbps ?

NO ISP can guarantee flat-out speed ever second of every day.

You're using a strawman arguemnt.

**** off.


Ah well .. when the abuse starts the argument is lost;(......
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In article , Eeyore rabbitsfriendsandrel
scribeth thus


tony sayer wrote:

Eeyore scribeth thus
tony sayer wrote:
Eeyore scribeth thus
naza wrote:

but how many people get full 8mbps.

Me for one !

Exactly you for ONE. One person does not reflect the state of the
whole network.

I gather the average speed on MAX is around 5 Mbps.


Because you were getting crap speeds on VM does not
mean that every single person who joins VM or are connected to VM are
getting the same service. The Same for ADSL just becuase your getting
a great service does not mean everyone else is. There are probally
people out there who are with IDnet who dont get the same speeds as
you, yet they will get the same level of customer service.
How many Customers Does IDnet have exactly?

I have no exact idea. They have a fair number of largish business
customers. Quality you see.

Problem is if their any good they'll get swallowed up and bought out by
some bigger outfit .. like some have done already;(...

Only if they want to sell. It's currently a family business AIUI.

Even worse someone will make them an offer they can't refuse;!..

You can ALWAYS refuse.

OR take the money and set up again with cash in hand. No great loss there
perhaps.


Nope...


Same is potentially true of ANY company in ANY line of business. I fail to
see why you even mentioned it.

Because regretfully .. it happens;(...

So are you one of those people who never does anything 'because it might go
wrong' (someday) ?

No not at all .. did old Peter Dawe well ..right place right time...

But it isn't the company it once was...

Graham


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Woody wrote:





VM depends very much where you are. The bigger part of VM was NTL and
they expanded by buying up other cable systems.

Those of us lucky enough to live in an area that had good quality feeds
have or had little trouble. Those that lived in poor areas - and from
what I see we are talking Dircon and Videoton here - suffer problems.

Our area was cabled by Videotron in the very early days and was of
course all analogue.
Ever since it was taken over, there was never enough cash to upgrade to
a more modern system (I heard figures of £30m).
I don't know but I assume analogue is still only available. (Ealing)
They did however put in the telephone pairs and, due to the tie-in with
Dircon, thats how free internet calls were available.

Eeyore wrote:
Carl Waring wrote:

naza wrote:

How many Customers Does IDnet have exactly?

I don't think anyone except IDnet will be able to answer that. I
have tried to find a figure on their web site but it seems they
don't produce the same kind of Quaterly results as, say, VM.

As a private company they don't have to.

Graham

Nice get out clause that, isn't it ;-)

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On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:03:03 +0000, Eeyore wrote:

Daffy Duck wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Daffy Duck wrote:
Eeyore wrote:

What speeds do you get at peak times on what package ? I see little
slowdown with Idnet for example.

Have you forgotten your post of 15:09 on the 30th?,,,,you were getting a
speed of 5713kbs,that's over 25% less than the headline 8mbs and even
considerably slower than some other links you've posted......seems like
more than a little slowdown there.

That's what I call a 'little slowdown'. It's STILL 80% of the maximum
theoretical possible, unlike the 12% I was getting with VM at peak times.

Graham

20% is not a "little slowdown".

YES IT IS

No it's not....5% may be little but 20% is a substantial slowdown


And 88% is a BIG slowdown.

I never said it wasn't.
I notice tho that the 88% slowdown is from VM's headline speed but your 20%
with Idnet is from 7150kbs not the headline speed of 8mbs.Lets compare like
like and your slowdown from the headline speed is,in fact,closer to 30% not
20%.Plus,as i posted earlier,it wasn't at peak times either.
Looks like your Idnet service isn't as flawless as you would have people
believe.