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In article , DAB sounds worse than
FM wrote:
I've never said that all new technologies succeed. I've absolutely no doubt*
that HD is going to succeed though, because the technology has so much*
backing from the film studios and consumer electronics giants.

In this case it also needs the backing of the public. A significant number of
them will have to be prepared to upgrade their entire systems to see any
improvement in picture resolution. It's not like the case with DVD, when it
was only necessary to buy a player and plug it into an existing TV set.
They'll also have to replace their DVD collections, and replacing one type of
disk with another isn't going to give the same immediately obvious range of
improvements they got when they replaced their tapes with disks. All that
trouble and expense is only going to improve the fine detail, and that will
only happen provided everything is chosen and connected correctly.

The only*thing that needs to be sorted out is the format war.

Let's hope it really is that simple. I'll reserve judgement until I see what
happens.

Rod.

Sandman wrote:
On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 12:12:35 +0000, DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:

Dom Robinson wrote:
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says...
Dom Robinson wrote:
In article ,
[email protected] says...
Dom Robinson wrote:
In article ,
[email protected] says...
Dom Robinson wrote:
In article ,
says...
Was thinking about this the other day, like most people I
have a dvd collection but I reckon 95% of the disks I'll
never watch again.

Now I've got a blu-ray PS3, but I can't see me replacing my
collection, I did that with my laserdiscs when DVDs came out.


Joe Punter just isn't ready for HD yet, and by the time he is
(about 10 years away, in terms of making it viable over here),
they'll be onto Super-HD or whatever's next and the current HD
equipment won't be up to the job. Joe Punter just cannot
afford that rate of change.


Typical Dom - makes oh so certain statements backed up by
market research from DomStats.com with a sample size of 1 for
each survey.

Hear that sound? It's you throwing in the towel.


Hear that sound? It's me chuckling at Dom reckoning that he
understands how new technologies are taken up. Hehehehe. There I
go again, you see, chuckling away.

It beats any understanding you have, as you prove on a regular
basis.


In your dreams fat boy.

Ah, there comes the insult, proving you've already lost the
argument.

Hardly.

I'd advise you two to print out the above and show it to your GPs.


I took your advice, and emailed my GP, and he's just replied to say that
he's getting a Blu Ray player for Xmas.


--
Steve - www.digitalradiotech.co.uk - Digital Radio News & Info

The adoption of DAB was the most incompetent technical
decision ever made in the history of UK broadcasting:
http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/da...ion_of_dab.htm

In article , [email protected] says...
Sandman wrote:
On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 12:12:35 +0000, DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:

Dom Robinson wrote:
In article , [email protected]
says...
Dom Robinson wrote:
In article ,
[email protected] says...
Dom Robinson wrote:
In article ,
d[email protected] says...
Dom Robinson wrote:
In article ,
says...
Was thinking about this the other day, like most people I
have a dvd collection but I reckon 95% of the disks I'll
never watch again.

Now I've got a blu-ray PS3, but I can't see me replacing my
collection, I did that with my laserdiscs when DVDs came out.


Joe Punter just isn't ready for HD yet, and by the time he is
(about 10 years away, in terms of making it viable over here),
they'll be onto Super-HD or whatever's next and the current HD
equipment won't be up to the job. Joe Punter just cannot
afford that rate of change.


Typical Dom - makes oh so certain statements backed up by
market research from DomStats.com with a sample size of 1 for
each survey.

Hear that sound? It's you throwing in the towel.


Hear that sound? It's me chuckling at Dom reckoning that he
understands how new technologies are taken up. Hehehehe. There I
go again, you see, chuckling away.

It beats any understanding you have, as you prove on a regular
basis.


In your dreams fat boy.

Ah, there comes the insult, proving you've already lost the
argument.

Hardly.

I'd advise you two to print out the above and show it to your GPs.


I took your advice, and emailed my GP, and he's just replied to say that
he's getting a Blu Ray player for Xmas.

Tell you what, DAB. Get me a HDTV, Bluray and HDDVD player and I'll then make
a decision(!)
--

Dom Robinson Gamertag: DVDfever email: dom at dvdfever dot co dot uk
/* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor)
/* 1136 DVDs, 362 games, 338 CDs, 110 cinema films, 51 concerts, videos & news
/* half life 2 episode 2, beatles: help, spiderman x360, russell brand, kylie
New music charts - http://dvdfever.co.uk/music.shtml
Youtube - http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=DVDdom

In article , [email protected] says...
Fact is, few CRTs are being sold and certainly not in the likes of
Currys and other chain stores where Joe Punter goes, so the only
choice he has is a flatscreen which are all HD-ready by default.


People chose to buy flat panels, which is why the large majority of TVs on
display in the shops are now flat panels.

"The public wants what the public gets". They get steered towards them because
they're "sexy" in the eyes of the retailer, and a damn sight easier to move
about for the delivery men, even though they deliver an inferior SD picture to
a CRT.

It's all about the circumstances, and the circumstances for HD all
point to it replacing DVD. Sorry, but that's the way it is.

No need to apologise but you're still wrong.

but they didn't, and they skipped those and went for
recordable CDs.

No, quite a lot of people bought MD, but I think Sony held back from
pushing MD hard because they probably knew that recordable CD would
take over.

So along with DCC and DAT that's three formats that have failed
because the manufacturers underestimated the public giving a ****.

Considering that I've never said that DCC or DAT were likely to become mass
market formats, I fail to see why you keep on mentioning them.

For reasons I've already explained which you can see but are ignoring because
it doesn't fit with your theories.
--

Dom Robinson Gamertag: DVDfever email: dom at dvdfever dot co dot uk
/* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor)
/* 1136 DVDs, 362 games, 338 CDs, 110 cinema films, 51 concerts, videos & news
/* half life 2 episode 2, beatles: help, spiderman x360, russell brand, kylie
New music charts - http://dvdfever.co.uk/music.shtml
Youtube - http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=DVDdom

In article , {$mrtickle$}
@nospam.demon.co.uk says...
In , "DAB sounds worse than FM"
[email protected] wrote:
Dom Robinson wrote:
In article , [email protected]
says...
Are you admitting that you're a common thief who has stolen hundreds
of DVDs?

No, try again.


Just say how many you've got.

Look, this is going to take a very long time if you two continue to go
around in circles. Dom has "got" a large number of DVDs. He hasn't stolen
them all nor has he bought them all, and you are wrong to think that those
are the only two possible ways to "get" DVDs. He is being rather obtuse
also to string this out.



IIRC he gets some sent to him, for free, for him
to review on his website. There, that wasn't difficult was it?

Oh, Mike, you're NO fun
--

Dom Robinson Gamertag: DVDfever email: dom at dvdfever dot co dot uk
/* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor)
/* 1136 DVDs, 362 games, 338 CDs, 110 cinema films, 51 concerts, videos & news
/* half life 2 episode 2, beatles: help, spiderman x360, russell brand, kylie
New music charts - http://dvdfever.co.uk/music.shtml
Youtube - http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=DVDdom

In article ,
says...
In article , DAB sounds worse than
FM wrote:
I've never said that all new technologies succeed. I've absolutely no doubt*
that HD is going to succeed though, because the technology has so much*
backing from the film studios and consumer electronics giants.

In this case it also needs the backing of the public. A significant number of
them will have to be prepared to upgrade their entire systems to see any
improvement in picture resolution. It's not like the case with DVD, when it
was only necessary to buy a player and plug it into an existing TV set.
They'll also have to replace their DVD collections, and replacing one type of
disk with another isn't going to give the same immediately obvious range of
improvements they got when they replaced their tapes with disks. All that
trouble and expense is only going to improve the fine detail, and that will
only happen provided everything is chosen and connected correctly.

Spot on, Rod, and we've already seen the proof in the posts here (which DAB
ignores) that the average member of the public can't set up a TV picture to
save their life so they won't *get* HD and it'll die a death.
--

Dom Robinson Gamertag: DVDfever email: dom at dvdfever dot co dot uk
/* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor)
/* 1136 DVDs, 362 games, 338 CDs, 110 cinema films, 51 concerts, videos & news
/* half life 2 episode 2, beatles: help, spiderman x360, russell brand, kylie
New music charts - http://dvdfever.co.uk/music.shtml
Youtube - http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=DVDdom

Dom Robinson wrote:
In article , [email protected]
says...
Fact is, few CRTs are being sold and certainly not in the likes of
Currys and other chain stores where Joe Punter goes, so the only
choice he has is a flatscreen which are all HD-ready by default.


People chose to buy flat panels, which is why the large majority of
TVs on display in the shops are now flat panels.

"The public wants what the public gets".


If so, you're going to have to stop uploading your DomDrones videos to
YouTube, and you can't criticise any politician ever again.


They get steered towards
them because they're "sexy" in the eyes of the retailer, and a damn
sight easier to move about for the delivery men, even though they
deliver an inferior SD picture to a CRT.


It's human nature to want things to be better.


It's all about the circumstances, and the circumstances for HD all
point to it replacing DVD. Sorry, but that's the way it is.

No need to apologise but you're still wrong.

but they didn't, and they skipped those and went for
recordable CDs.

No, quite a lot of people bought MD, but I think Sony held back
from pushing MD hard because they probably knew that recordable CD
would take over.

So along with DCC and DAT that's three formats that have failed
because the manufacturers underestimated the public giving a ****.

Considering that I've never said that DCC or DAT were likely to
become mass market formats, I fail to see why you keep on mentioning
them.

For reasons I've already explained which you can see but are ignoring
because it doesn't fit with your theories.


I repeat: I have never said that DCC or DAT had any chance of going
mainstream.


--
Steve - www.digitalradiotech.co.uk - Digital Radio News & Info

The adoption of DAB was the most incompetent technical
decision ever made in the history of UK broadcasting:
http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/da...ion_of_dab.htm

Roderick Stewart wrote:
In article , DAB sounds
worse than FM wrote:
I've never said that all new technologies succeed. I've absolutely
no doubt that HD is going to succeed though, because the technology
has so much backing from the film studios and consumer electronics
giants.

In this case it also needs the backing of the public. A significant
number of them will have to be prepared to upgrade their entire
systems to see any improvement in picture resolution. It's not like
the case with DVD, when it was only necessary to buy a player and
plug it into an existing TV set.


60% of households are predicted to have HD-ready displays by 2011. HD
players will also drop in price over time as sales volumes increase, and
once someone has an HD display it'll only be a smallish cost to get an Blu
Ray or HD-DVD player.

DVD didn't take off overnight, and nor will the HD formats, but it will
happen over time.


They'll also have to replace their
DVD collections, and replacing one type of disk with another isn't
going to give the same immediately obvious range of improvements they
got when they replaced their tapes with disks. All that trouble and
expense is only going to improve the fine detail, and that will only
happen provided everything is chosen and connected correctly.


They don't need to replace their DVD collections. What's more likely is that
they'll buy new films in the HD formats and replace some of their DVDs, but
not all of them.


The only thing that needs to be sorted out is the format war.

Let's hope it really is that simple. I'll reserve judgement until I
see what happens.


It's going to happen, and it's just a matter of time.


--
Steve - www.digitalradiotech.co.uk - Digital Radio News & Info

The adoption of DAB was the most incompetent technical
decision ever made in the history of UK broadcasting:
http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/da...ion_of_dab.htm

Dom Robinson wrote:
In article ,
says...
In article , DAB sounds
worse than FM wrote:
I've never said that all new technologies succeed. I've absolutely
no doubt that HD is going to succeed though, because the technology
has so much backing from the film studios and consumer electronics
giants.

In this case it also needs the backing of the public. A significant
number of them will have to be prepared to upgrade their entire
systems to see any improvement in picture resolution. It's not like
the case with DVD, when it was only necessary to buy a player and
plug it into an existing TV set. They'll also have to replace their
DVD collections, and replacing one type of disk with another isn't
going to give the same immediately obvious range of improvements
they got when they replaced their tapes with disks. All that trouble
and expense is only going to improve the fine detail, and that will
only happen provided everything is chosen and connected correctly.

Spot on, Rod, and we've already seen the proof in the posts here
(which DAB ignores) that the average member of the public can't set
up a TV picture to save their life so they won't *get* HD and it'll
die a death.


Your logic is illogical.


--
Steve - www.digitalradiotech.co.uk - Digital Radio News & Info

The adoption of DAB was the most incompetent technical
decision ever made in the history of UK broadcasting:
http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/da...ion_of_dab.htm

In article , DAB sounds worse than
FM wrote:
60% of households are predicted to have HD-ready displays by 2011. HD*
players will also drop in price over time as sales volumes increase, and*
once someone has an HD display it'll only be a smallish cost to get an Blu*
Ray or HD-DVD player.

Will those "HD-ready" displays all be "ready" for the same type of HD, and will
everybody connect all their other equipment to them correctly, so that they
actually get to see an improvement? How many of them will care if they do?

DVD didn't take off overnight, and nor will the HD formats, but it will*
happen over time.

I don't doubt it will, but it will take a *lot* more time than the replacement
of VHS with DVD. This time it's not so much a revolutionary breakthrough, more
of a slight improvement if you get everything right, which isn't such a big
incentive.

Rod.