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In article , [email protected] says...
DVDfever Dom wrote:
On 18 Dec, 10:53, "DAB sounds worse than FM" [email protected] wrote:
Roderick Stewart wrote:
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worse than FM wrote:
Are you still deluding yourself that people won't adopt the HD
formats, Dom?

Not for UK TV output and DVDs, no.

So the 60% of households with an HD-ready display by 2011 will
decide to watch BBC1, ITV1, C4 and Five in SD rather than in HD
even though there's an HD version being transmitted then?

Admittedly, the general public is a strange beast, but surely not
that strange?

You're assuming they care. Most members of the public don't seem to
care about TV picture quality at all. They never have, so why would
yet another technical innovation change this, particularly an
expensive one?

It's not black and white in the way that you're making it out to be.
In reality, there will be a percentage of the general public that
does care about the picture quality of TV.

Just because some people use the wrong aspect ratio, why do you then
jump to the conclusion that "the public" doesn't care about quality?
What about all the people that use the right aspect ratio? Do they
definitely care about quality? No, it doesn't necessarily mean that.

You really should get out and talk to those things walking around
outside. They're called people. They worry about mortgages and school
fees and parking fines. TV is a very low consideration.

The fact that TV picture quality isn't high up in the list of important
things in life doesn't mean that people don't care about it at all, which is
what you're implying.

No, it's a fact.

The punters will only be able to *see* HD if *all* components of
their systems are upgraded, properly matched, and properly connected
together, and since most of them can't get it right for a simple
thing like the shape of the picture,

*Most* can't get the aspect ratio right? What utter ********.

They don't care. One relative I know has Sky in the lounge and an
analogue TV in the kitchen, so as she goes between the two she leaves
the lounge TV on analogue, so the picture's all skewed on a 16:9 TV
and she thinks it looks normal. Switch it on Sky and she complains
because it's out of sync with the kitchen. This will be the same even
if the analogue signal is turned off and a Freeview box is added to
the kitchen TV. In fact, for her, that'll just make it worse.

Sample size of 1 - statistical significance = 0.

It happens alarmingly regularly with people I've seen. They're all "Joe
Punter"s.

or an RGB connection from source
to display, the subtlety of a picture with a bit more fine detail on
some programmes will probably pass most of them by.

I don't think it's as difficult to get HD-ready displays and HD
set-top boxes to work correctly with each other as you're making out.

Try explaining 21-pin SCART leads to relatives and see what response
you get. One of mine looked at me and said I may as well have been
talking Japanese, when it was a basic explanation on connecting one
up.

I say that people don't understand the technical issues, and this leads them
to set things up incorrectly. Does this mean that they don't care about
picture quality? No, it simply means that they don't understand the
technical aspects.

So the whole thing doesn't matter to them as they continue to watch an
incorrect picture.

Even if some do care, they'll probably just assume that "HD-ready"
means what it says,

Ah, right, yeah, that must be it - even those that claim to care are
either too stupid to do things right or they don't really care after
all.

I've told you this already. Joe Punter thinks "HD-Ready" will make
non- HD stuff into HD, like he thought a widescreen TV made all the
programmes widescreen.

Some people will think an HD display will make everything HD, but some -
probably most - won't. Again, whether they do or not still doesn't mean that
they don't care about picture quality.

The way you contradict yourself is very amusing.

The only way you can ascertain whether they care about picture quality or
not is by asking them, but they'd virtually all say that they would like
higher picture quality, and who the fk are you to argue with them?

Most people are fairly apathetic when it comes to the picture.
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In article , [email protected] says...
Dom Robinson wrote:
In article , [email protected]
says...
wrote:
On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:32:53 GMT, "DAB sounds worse than FM"
[email protected] wrote:

Could your opinion be motivated by the fact that you forked out for
over 1,000 floppy disks, erm, sorry, DVDs, which is a format
that'll eventually be made obsolete by the HD formats? All that
money you've spent and people will just laugh at you for watching
low definition ****e in a couple of years.

Are you seriously suggesting that in the next two years people will
be going out and re-buying everything they currently have on DVD in
some HD format?

I was exaggerating. I was taking the **** out of the fact that old
Dom here is predicting that the HD formats won't take off *at all*,
but it just so happens that he's got over 1100 DVDs, so in reality
he's just against the HD formats because he's invested so much in
DVDs.

There you go again with your inaccurate assumptions.

It says this in your sig:

"1136 DVDs"

Are you admitting that you're a common thief who has stolen hundreds of
DVDs?

No, try again.

and while
there'll be plenty of people buying new stuff in HD, I reckon
there'll be a sizeable enough group still wanting DVDs that they'll
be still be making plenty of them in five years time, never mind
two years time.

Absolutely. But Dom reckons the public isn't ready for HD at all,
and for some reason we'll bypass HD and go for Super-HD - not sure
why we'd bypass HD, cos surely if people are into HD then they'll go
for HD first then Super-HD after. Then again, I've never been able
to figure out Dom's thought processes.

By your logic they would've gone for DAT and DCC because it's better
than cassette,

Pure bull****. DAT was never aimed at the consumer market

LOL! That's why all the players were in stores? Were they just to look at and
if someone wanted to buy one they were told they couldn't?

, and DCC came out
a few months before MiniDisc, which was clearly superior as it offered
random access rather than serial access.

So DCC was invented just for fun? Stop trying to rewrite history. Still, it's
one way to avoid admitting defeat.

The thing about HD DVDs is that they are definitely aimed at the consumer
market, and as soon as one format wins the format war, or if
players/recorders end up supporting both formats, they will be used by
consumers because HD is "the next big thing" and people are buying HD-ready
displays in very large numbers.

But are they buying the HD equipment to go with it in such numbers? No.

Fact is, few CRTs are being sold and certainly not in the likes of Currys and
other chain stores where Joe Punter goes, so the only choice he has is a
flatscreen which are all HD-ready by default.

It's all about the circumstances, and the circumstances for HD all point to
it replacing DVD. Sorry, but that's the way it is.

No need to apologise but you're still wrong.

but they didn't, and they skipped those and went for
recordable CDs.

No, quite a lot of people bought MD, but I think Sony held back from pushing
MD hard because they probably knew that recordable CD would take over.

So along with DCC and DAT that's three formats that have failed because the
manufacturers underestimated the public giving a ****.

Still, you'll never learn when observation from
things that have gone before show us how things will go again, while
all the time you've got your head in the sand.

Nah, you're just clutching at straws by using crappy examples that were
obviously never going to become mainstream.

"Obviously never"? They were plugged in their day as much as HD-DVD and Blu-
ray are being done now.
--

Dom Robinson Gamertag: DVDfever email: dom at dvdfever dot co dot uk
/* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor)
/* 1136 DVDs, 362 games, 338 CDs, 110 cinema films, 51 concerts, videos & news
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In article , [email protected] says...
DVDfever Dom wrote:
On 18 Dec, 22:19, wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:17:50 GMT, "DAB sounds worse than FM"

[email protected] wrote:
When Joe Punter has an HD-ready display then Joe Punter will start
buying HD format discs once they're cheap enough.

I think that's the key point. They have to become cheaper. A LOT
cheaper.

Which won't happen in terms of it being viable. Since DVD was quite an
innovation on from VHS, the public just sees HD-DVD/Blu-ray as another
form of disc that plays films, and they've already got one. They might
get the idea that it's better but they see the prices and while they
waited long enough for DVD to come down in price before jumping in,
technology moves faster all the time and by the time they might even
think about being ready for an HD version, it'll be long dead in the
water as the lack of viability along the way will kill it off.


An alternative way things will happen is as follows:

* the public is buying HD displays in large numbers - 60% of people will
have one by 2011

But HD-Ready sets are all that's on sale in the main shops as CRT yields no
profit margin, so that proves nothing as it doesn't say they'll buy an HD
source for it.

* the public has heard lots about HD and it will hear a lot more about it

Just telling people about something doesn't mean they'll want it.

* the public will see HDTV on their HD display over the next few years

If they buy the correct equipemnt, which isn't a given.

* the public will start buying HD discs instead of DVDs

Nope.

* the prices of HD discs will fall which will lead to higher sales volumes
and lower prices and so on

Nope, it'll just expire, like DCC, DAT and Minidisc, because the manufacturers
have underestimated public demand yet again.

The manufacturers can't just keep throwing money as these two formats
in the hope that Joe Punter takes it up within five years as there
isn't time, and by then something better will have come along anyway
so if they need to, they'll go for that.

Why would they go for the one after the current HD formats and they won't go
for the current one? Your argument is full of holes.

Because it's too soon after DVD. I've told you that.

I think
that if Joe Punter has the choice between forking out what he
considers to be too much for the HD DVD down at HMV, or downloading
the DVD quality version as a torrent, he'll go for the latter option.

And if he sees new HD DVDs at £15-22 while the regular version is
£10-15, or even cheaper when tied in with various deals at Tesco etc,
he'll go for the latter.

And what about when HD DVDs are £10 - £15 and DVDs are £10 - £15 and the
person has an HD display and a suitable HD player? They WILL go for the HD
version, and that's why your whole argument is wrong.

That won't happen because HD needs to sell now, not in a few years when prices
fall. It won't get to that stage because if Joe Punter doesn't buy it at the
current prices then it'll just die off.

HD DVDs are a new technology, and that's why the prices are high at the
moment. It's the same with all technologies. Think back to when Freeview
first came out. Freeview set-top boxes cost a minimum of about £80, then
over time as sales volumes increased they've steadily gone down in price and
you can get a Freeview set-top box for about £15 - £20 now. It was the same
with DVD players, and it's the same with any new technology.

Yeah, and every new technology succeeds on the basis that one day it'll sell
for almost nothing, doesn't it(?)
--

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/* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor)
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In article , [email protected] says...
People don't like the price of DVDs (even though they've
dropped significantly over the last few years) which is why piracy is
considered such a problem, and we have to suffer "Knock Off Nigel" and
unskippable "You wouldn't rape an OAP!" trailers on DVDs. I think
that if Joe Punter has the choice between forking out what he
considers to be too much for the HD DVD down at HMV, or downloading
the DVD quality version as a torrent, he'll go for the latter option.


The music industry was predicting that downloading would kill the entire
industry, but in reality the vast majority of people still buy CDs or pay to
download music, and the same will be the case with DVDs now and it'll be the
same with HD discs as well.

"Vast majority"? How do you measure the numbers of those who download without
paying?
--

Dom Robinson Gamertag: DVDfever email: dom at dvdfever dot co dot uk
/* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor)
/* 1136 DVDs, 362 games, 338 CDs, 110 cinema films, 51 concerts, videos & news
/* half life 2 episode 2, beatles: help, spiderman x360, russell brand, kylie
New music charts - http://dvdfever.co.uk/music.shtml
Youtube - http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=DVDdom

Dom Robinson wrote:
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Was thinking about this the other day, like most people I have
a dvd collection but I reckon 95% of the disks I'll never watch
again.

Now I've got a blu-ray PS3, but I can't see me replacing my
collection, I did that with my laserdiscs when DVDs came out.


Joe Punter just isn't ready for HD yet, and by the time he is
(about 10 years away, in terms of making it viable over here),
they'll be onto Super-HD or whatever's next and the current HD
equipment won't be up to the job. Joe Punter just cannot afford
that rate of change.


Typical Dom - makes oh so certain statements backed up by market
research from DomStats.com with a sample size of 1 for each
survey.

Hear that sound? It's you throwing in the towel.


Hear that sound? It's me chuckling at Dom reckoning that he
understands how new technologies are taken up. Hehehehe. There I go
again, you see, chuckling away.

It beats any understanding you have, as you prove on a regular
basis.


In your dreams fat boy.

Ah, there comes the insult, proving you've already lost the argument.


Hardly.


--
Steve - www.digitalradiotech.co.uk - Digital Radio News & Info

The adoption of DAB was the most incompetent technical
decision ever made in the history of UK broadcasting:
http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/da...ion_of_dab.htm

Dom Robinson wrote:
In article , [email protected]
says...
Dom Robinson wrote:
In article , [email protected]
says...
wrote:
On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:32:53 GMT, "DAB sounds worse than FM"
[email protected] wrote:

Could your opinion be motivated by the fact that you forked out
for over 1,000 floppy disks, erm, sorry, DVDs, which is a format
that'll eventually be made obsolete by the HD formats? All that
money you've spent and people will just laugh at you for watching
low definition ****e in a couple of years.

Are you seriously suggesting that in the next two years people
will be going out and re-buying everything they currently have on
DVD in some HD format?

I was exaggerating. I was taking the **** out of the fact that old
Dom here is predicting that the HD formats won't take off *at all*,
but it just so happens that he's got over 1100 DVDs, so in reality
he's just against the HD formats because he's invested so much in
DVDs.

There you go again with your inaccurate assumptions.

It says this in your sig:

"1136 DVDs"

Are you admitting that you're a common thief who has stolen hundreds
of DVDs?

No, try again.


Just say how many you've got.


and while
there'll be plenty of people buying new stuff in HD, I reckon
there'll be a sizeable enough group still wanting DVDs that
they'll be still be making plenty of them in five years time,
never mind two years time.

Absolutely. But Dom reckons the public isn't ready for HD at all,
and for some reason we'll bypass HD and go for Super-HD - not sure
why we'd bypass HD, cos surely if people are into HD then they'll
go for HD first then Super-HD after. Then again, I've never been
able to figure out Dom's thought processes.

By your logic they would've gone for DAT and DCC because it's better
than cassette,

Pure bull****. DAT was never aimed at the consumer market

LOL! That's why all the players were in stores? Were they just to
look at and if someone wanted to buy one they were told they couldn't?


I can't remember ever seeing a DAT player in any shop aimed at your Average
Joe such as Argos. DAT players were available in hi-fi shops and that's
about it, as far as I can remember.


, and DCC came out
a few months before MiniDisc, which was clearly superior as it
offered random access rather than serial access.

So DCC was invented just for fun? Stop trying to rewrite history.
Still, it's one way to avoid admitting defeat.


I'm sure Philips hoped it would take off. But it was doomed to failure the
day that MD came out.


The thing about HD DVDs is that they are definitely aimed at the
consumer market, and as soon as one format wins the format war, or if
players/recorders end up supporting both formats, they will be used
by consumers because HD is "the next big thing" and people are
buying HD-ready displays in very large numbers.

But are they buying the HD equipment to go with it in such numbers?
No.


They're buying HD displays in large numbers, and they'll buy HD DVD players
when the prices come down.


Fact is, few CRTs are being sold and certainly not in the likes of
Currys and other chain stores where Joe Punter goes, so the only
choice he has is a flatscreen which are all HD-ready by default.


People chose to buy flat panels, which is why the large majority of TVs on
display in the shops are now flat panels.


It's all about the circumstances, and the circumstances for HD all
point to it replacing DVD. Sorry, but that's the way it is.

No need to apologise but you're still wrong.

but they didn't, and they skipped those and went for
recordable CDs.

No, quite a lot of people bought MD, but I think Sony held back from
pushing MD hard because they probably knew that recordable CD would
take over.

So along with DCC and DAT that's three formats that have failed
because the manufacturers underestimated the public giving a ****.


Considering that I've never said that DCC or DAT were likely to become mass
market formats, I fail to see why you keep on mentioning them.


Still, you'll never learn when observation from
things that have gone before show us how things will go again, while
all the time you've got your head in the sand.

Nah, you're just clutching at straws by using crappy examples that
were obviously never going to become mainstream.

"Obviously never"? They were plugged in their day as much as HD-DVD
and Blu- ray are being done now.


I heard an advert for HD-DVD on the radio the other day, but I can't ever
remember hearing a radio advert for DCC or DAT.


--
Steve - www.digitalradiotech.co.uk - Digital Radio News & Info

The adoption of DAB was the most incompetent technical
decision ever made in the history of UK broadcasting:
http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/da...ion_of_dab.htm

Dom Robinson wrote:
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/

Is it working for other people? It worked for me okay yesterday
with only a little bit of buffering going on, but today it
seems to be buffering for 30 seconds, plays for 3 or 4 seconds
and goes back to buffering again. It then stops altogether
saying "Something went wrong ... please try again."

Is it in HD? Did it make you cum?

No, not enough pixels for that.

Are you still deluding yourself that people won't adopt the HD
formats, Dom?

Not for UK TV output and DVDs, no.

So the 60% of households with an HD-ready display by 2011 will
decide to watch BBC1, ITV1, C4 and Five in SD rather than in HD
even though there's an HD version being transmitted then?

That's four years away. You think it'll still be happening by then?

HD will be massive in 4 years.

Dream on, mate.


We'll see.


To give you some idea about this person. Joe Punter:

1. watches a 4:3 or 14:9 analogue image stretched across his 16:9
TV and thinks it looks normal.
2. believes what the Currys salesdroid tells him when he hears,
"Look at that television. Now, imagine it with cellophane on...
THAT'S analogue. Remove the cellophane... THAT's digital! See?"
3. thinks the cinema broadcasts films in NICAM stereo.
4. buys a HDTV and thinks it makes everything HD (just like he did
for widescreen TV).

Now, DAB, I can understand and comprehend all the HD jargon you
speak - and if there's anything I'm unsure of I'll ask or look it
up, but to the average Joe Punter he just thinks you're speaking
Japanese and he has about as much interest in watching a spot-on
HD picture as I have in watching football.

Here's how it'll go: Sales of HD discs will steadily increase over
time as more people have an HD display and more people have the
ability to playback HD discs, and as sales increase the price of HD
discs will fall due to economies of scale, which will lead to even
lower prices, which will lead to higher sales due to price
elasticity of demand, and you then have a "virtuous circle" where
prices continue to fall and sales volume continues to increase and
they reinforce one another, and over time one of the HD formats
will win out and people will stop buying new films on DVD and
they'll buy HD versions instead and over time DVD will stop being
sold in the shops.

It's too soon after DVD.

It's not.

How many people do you know who are telling you they must buy an
HD-DVD or Blu-Ray player?


Even though I'm obviously in favour of the HD formats I wouldn't dream of
buying a player at current prices. All in good time though. I did notice
this post the other day though:

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk....3aa1e5eb67bdc8

"I've got the new Samsung hybrid HD-DVD/Blu-Ray player on order, should
be available in January."



--
Steve - www.digitalradiotech.co.uk - Digital Radio News & Info

The adoption of DAB was the most incompetent technical
decision ever made in the history of UK broadcasting:
http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/da...ion_of_dab.htm

Dom Robinson wrote:
In article , [email protected]
says...
DVDfever Dom wrote:
On 18 Dec, 22:19, wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:17:50 GMT, "DAB sounds worse than FM"

[email protected] wrote:
When Joe Punter has an HD-ready display then Joe Punter will start
buying HD format discs once they're cheap enough.

I think that's the key point. They have to become cheaper. A LOT
cheaper.

Which won't happen in terms of it being viable. Since DVD was quite
an innovation on from VHS, the public just sees HD-DVD/Blu-ray as
another form of disc that plays films, and they've already got one.
They might get the idea that it's better but they see the prices
and while they waited long enough for DVD to come down in price
before jumping in, technology moves faster all the time and by the
time they might even think about being ready for an HD version,
it'll be long dead in the water as the lack of viability along the
way will kill it off.


An alternative way things will happen is as follows:

* the public is buying HD displays in large numbers - 60% of people
will have one by 2011

But HD-Ready sets are all that's on sale in the main shops as CRT
yields no profit margin, so that proves nothing as it doesn't say
they'll buy an HD source for it.


The fact that people will have an HD display obviously increases the
likelihood that they'll buy an HD player.


* the public has heard lots about HD and it will hear a lot more
about it

Just telling people about something doesn't mean they'll want it.

* the public will see HDTV on their HD display over the next few
years

If they buy the correct equipemnt, which isn't a given.

* the public will start buying HD discs instead of DVDs

Nope.


They will.


The manufacturers can't just keep throwing money as these two
formats in the hope that Joe Punter takes it up within five years
as there isn't time, and by then something better will have come
along anyway so if they need to, they'll go for that.

Why would they go for the one after the current HD formats and they
won't go for the current one? Your argument is full of holes.

Because it's too soon after DVD. I've told you that.


So you've got seemingly the whole of the film industry and most of the
consumer electronics giants all backing one HD format or the other, but
Dom's right and they're all wrong?


I think
that if Joe Punter has the choice between forking out what he
considers to be too much for the HD DVD down at HMV, or downloading
the DVD quality version as a torrent, he'll go for the latter
option.

And if he sees new HD DVDs at £15-22 while the regular version is
£10-15, or even cheaper when tied in with various deals at Tesco
etc, he'll go for the latter.

And what about when HD DVDs are £10 - £15 and DVDs are £10 - £15 and
the person has an HD display and a suitable HD player? They WILL go
for the HD version, and that's why your whole argument is wrong.

That won't happen because HD needs to sell now, not in a few years
when prices fall.


This is getting boring. Just because sales are low today does not mean that
sales can't be high in the future. You don't seem able to understand that
sales don't jump from zero to massive in the space of a few days. They build
up over a number of years.


It won't get to that stage because if Joe Punter
doesn't buy it at the current prices then it'll just die off.


It's not Joe Punter that needs to buy it at the moment, it's Alan
Early-Adopter.


HD DVDs are a new technology, and that's why the prices are high at
the moment. It's the same with all technologies. Think back to when
Freeview first came out. Freeview set-top boxes cost a minimum of
about £80, then over time as sales volumes increased they've
steadily gone down in price and you can get a Freeview set-top box
for about £15 - £20 now. It was the same with DVD players, and it's
the same with any new technology.

Yeah, and every new technology succeeds on the basis that one day
it'll sell for almost nothing, doesn't it(?)


I've never said that all new technologies succeed. I've absolutely no doubt
that HD is going to succeed though, because the technology has so much
backing from the film studios and consumer electronics giants. The only
thing that needs to be sorted out is the format war.


--
Steve - www.digitalradiotech.co.uk - Digital Radio News & Info

The adoption of DAB was the most incompetent technical
decision ever made in the history of UK broadcasting:
http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/da...ion_of_dab.htm

Dom Robinson wrote:
In article , [email protected]
says...
People don't like the price of DVDs (even though they've
dropped significantly over the last few years) which is why piracy
is considered such a problem, and we have to suffer "Knock Off
Nigel" and unskippable "You wouldn't rape an OAP!" trailers on
DVDs. I think that if Joe Punter has the choice between forking
out what he considers to be too much for the HD DVD down at HMV, or
downloading the DVD quality version as a torrent, he'll go for the
latter option.


The music industry was predicting that downloading would kill the
entire industry, but in reality the vast majority of people still
buy CDs or pay to download music, and the same will be the case with
DVDs now and it'll be the same with HD discs as well.

"Vast majority"? How do you measure the numbers of those who download
without paying?


I can remember reading some article or other that said that the number of
people that download illegally is only a small percentage of the population.
You can tell that this is true as well, because CD and music downloads have
fallen, but they haven't fallen all that much, so either the tiny minority
of people still paying for music are buying far, far more music these days,
or in reality the vast majority of people are still paying for CDs or music
downloads.


--
Steve - www.digitalradiotech.co.uk - Digital Radio News & Info

The adoption of DAB was the most incompetent technical
decision ever made in the history of UK broadcasting:
http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/da...ion_of_dab.htm

On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 12:12:35 +0000, DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:

Dom Robinson wrote:
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Dom Robinson wrote:
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Dom Robinson wrote:
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Dom Robinson wrote:
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Was thinking about this the other day, like most people I have
a dvd collection but I reckon 95% of the disks I'll never watch
again.

Now I've got a blu-ray PS3, but I can't see me replacing my
collection, I did that with my laserdiscs when DVDs came out.


Joe Punter just isn't ready for HD yet, and by the time he is
(about 10 years away, in terms of making it viable over here),
they'll be onto Super-HD or whatever's next and the current HD
equipment won't be up to the job. Joe Punter just cannot afford
that rate of change.


Typical Dom - makes oh so certain statements backed up by market
research from DomStats.com with a sample size of 1 for each
survey.

Hear that sound? It's you throwing in the towel.


Hear that sound? It's me chuckling at Dom reckoning that he
understands how new technologies are taken up. Hehehehe. There I go
again, you see, chuckling away.

It beats any understanding you have, as you prove on a regular
basis.


In your dreams fat boy.

Ah, there comes the insult, proving you've already lost the argument.

Hardly.

I'd advise you two to print out the above and show it to your GPs.