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Dom Robinson wrote:
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Dom Robinson wrote:
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says...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/

Is it working for other people? It worked for me okay yesterday
with only a little bit of buffering going on, but today it seems
to be buffering for 30 seconds, plays for 3 or 4 seconds and goes
back to buffering again. It then stops altogether saying
"Something went wrong ... please try again."

Is it in HD? Did it make you cum?

No, not enough pixels for that.

Are you still deluding yourself that people won't adopt the HD
formats, Dom?

Not for UK TV output and DVDs, no.


So the 60% of households with an HD-ready display by 2011 will decide to
watch BBC1, ITV1, C4 and Five in SD rather than in HD even though there's an
HD version being transmitted then?

Admittedly, the general public is a strange beast, but surely not that
strange?


What was it, you thought they'd distribute films loaded onto USB
keyfobs and downloads would make HD discs unnecessary?

No, I never said that.


Yes you did:

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk....78a9d648ca01c6

"if it happens at all as cheap hard drives and downloaded films (paid-for or
otherwise) running from those hard drives to the TV will negate the need for
a disc-based format. Either way,
HDDVD and Bluray are doomed."


How do you suggest the 25% of
households would manage that don't have a computer?

See above.


Right, I've provided the quote where you did say that people would download
HD and that would mean we won't need an HD disc format, so now answer the
question.


And do you not think the
45% or so of households with a computer that have dial-up would be a
bit miffed with the 3-week download of an HD movie? D'ya not reckon
it'll be a bit easier just to stick with discs for a bit?

I've answered why this isn't a problem before. You really should
check back my previous posts rather than attempt to misquote me. Go
on, off you pop.


How could you have provided an answer for how people without a computer
would be able to download an HD film??


Could your opinion be motivated by the fact that you forked out for
over 1,000 floppy disks, erm, sorry, DVDs,

I haven't. Where did you get that idea?


Your sig says you've got over 1100 DVDs. Did you steal a lot iof them or
something?


which is a format that'll eventually
be made obsolete by the HD formats?

It won't. HD-DVD and Blu-Ray will go the way of DCC and DAT. I've
covered this before.


You will be proved wrong on this.


All that money you've spent and people
will just laugh at you for watching low definition ****e in a couple
of years.

There'll be no DVDs on sale in 2 years? Where did you get that idea?


I was taking the ****.


DVDs are discounted to 3 for £20 within about 3 months, whereas the HD
equivalents (where available) are still expensive. Joe Punter doesn't
have the money or inclination to buy the HD formats when he's got
bigger problems paying his mortgage.


When Joe Punter has an HD-ready display then Joe Punter will start buying HD
format discs once they're cheap enough. DVDs will have been through exactly
the same process of being expensive and people like you doubting them, then
sales volume goes up and prices come down and they enter the mainstream and
start to nudge DVDs out. It's bound to happen.


To give you some idea about this person. Joe Punter:

1. watches a 4:3 or 14:9 analogue image stretched across his 16:9 TV
and thinks it looks normal.
2. believes what the Currys salesdroid tells him when he hears, "Look
at that television. Now, imagine it with cellophane on... THAT'S
analogue. Remove the cellophane... THAT's digital! See?"
3. thinks the cinema broadcasts films in NICAM stereo.
4. buys a HDTV and thinks it makes everything HD (just like he did for
widescreen TV).

Now, DAB, I can understand and comprehend all the HD jargon you speak
- and if there's anything I'm unsure of I'll ask or look it up, but
to the average Joe Punter he just thinks you're speaking Japanese and
he has about as much interest in watching a spot-on HD picture as I
have in watching football.


Here's how it'll go: Sales of HD discs will steadily increase over time as
more people have an HD display and more people have the ability to playback
HD discs, and as sales increase the price of HD discs will fall due to
economies of scale, which will lead to even lower prices, which will lead to
higher sales due to price elasticity of demand, and you then have a
"virtuous circle" where prices continue to fall and sales volume continues
to increase and they reinforce one another, and over time one of the HD
formats will win out and people will stop buying new films on DVD and
they'll buy HD versions instead and over time DVD will stop being sold in
the shops.

To be honest, arguing about it every few weeks on here is a waste of time,
because this is a long term gradual process that'll happen over the next few
years, and only time will show that I'm right. Suffice it to say though that
I will be saving your amusing quotes to my hard drive so I can quote them
back to you in future.


--
Steve - www.digitalradiotech.co.uk - Digital Radio News & Info

The adoption of DAB was the most incompetent technical
decision ever made in the history of UK broadcasting:
http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/da...ion_of_dab.htm

In article , [email protected] says...
Dom Robinson wrote:
In article ,
says...
Was thinking about this the other day, like most people I have a dvd
collection but I reckon 95% of the disks I'll never watch again.

Now I've got a blu-ray PS3, but I can't see me replacing my
collection, I did that with my laserdiscs when DVDs came out.


Joe Punter just isn't ready for HD yet, and by the time he is (about
10 years away, in terms of making it viable over here), they'll be
onto Super-HD or whatever's next and the current HD equipment won't
be up to the job. Joe Punter just cannot afford that rate of change.


Typical Dom - makes oh so certain statements backed up by market research
from DomStats.com with a sample size of 1 for each survey.

Hear that sound? It's you throwing in the towel.
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In article , [email protected] says...
Dom Robinson wrote:
In article ,
says...
On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:32:53 GMT, "DAB sounds worse than FM"
[email protected] wrote:

Could your opinion be motivated by the fact that you forked out for
over 1,000 floppy disks, erm, sorry, DVDs, which is a format
that'll eventually be made obsolete by the HD formats? All that
money you've spent and people will just laugh at you for watching
low definition ****e in a couple of years.

Are you seriously suggesting that in the next two years people will
be going out and re-buying everything they currently have on DVD in
some HD format? I think those that do will be in a very small
minority, and they'll be the ones being laughed at, as sad anoraks
with nothing better to waste their money on.

You might think that... I couldn't possibly comment


He hardly concurs with your view that HD formats won't take off at all cos
the "public isn't ready for them".

You've lost, DAB. Quit while you're behind!
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/* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor)
/* 1136 DVDs, 362 games, 338 CDs, 110 cinema films, 51 concerts, videos & news
/* half life 2 episode 2, beatles: help, spiderman x360, russell brand, kylie
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In article , [email protected] says...
wrote:
On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:32:53 GMT, "DAB sounds worse than FM"
[email protected] wrote:

Could your opinion be motivated by the fact that you forked out for
over 1,000 floppy disks, erm, sorry, DVDs, which is a format that'll
eventually be made obsolete by the HD formats? All that money you've
spent and people will just laugh at you for watching low definition
****e in a couple of years.

Are you seriously suggesting that in the next two years people will be
going out and re-buying everything they currently have on DVD in some
HD format?

I was exaggerating. I was taking the **** out of the fact that old Dom here
is predicting that the HD formats won't take off *at all*, but it just so
happens that he's got over 1100 DVDs, so in reality he's just against the HD
formats because he's invested so much in DVDs.

There you go again with your inaccurate assumptions.

I think those that do will be in a very small minority,
and they'll be the ones being laughed at, as sad anoraks with nothing
better to waste their money on.

The majority of people will keep their current DVDs,

Well, obviously.


and while
there'll be plenty of people buying new stuff in HD, I reckon there'll
be a sizeable enough group still wanting DVDs that they'll be still be
making plenty of them in five years time, never mind two years time.

Absolutely. But Dom reckons the public isn't ready for HD at all, and for
some reason we'll bypass HD and go for Super-HD - not sure why we'd bypass
HD, cos surely if people are into HD then they'll go for HD first then
Super-HD after. Then again, I've never been able to figure out Dom's thought
processes.

By your logic they would've gone for DAT and DCC because it's better than
cassette, but they didn't, and they skipped those and went for recordable CDs.
Still, you'll never learn when observation from things that have gone before
show us how things will go again, while all the time you've got your head in
the sand.
--

Dom Robinson Gamertag: DVDfever email: dom at dvdfever dot co dot uk
/* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor)
/* 1136 DVDs, 362 games, 338 CDs, 110 cinema films, 51 concerts, videos & news
/* half life 2 episode 2, beatles: help, spiderman x360, russell brand, kylie
New music charts - http://dvdfever.co.uk/music.shtml
Youtube - http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=DVDdom

Dom Robinson wrote:
In article , [email protected]
says...
Dom Robinson wrote:
In article ,
says...
Was thinking about this the other day, like most people I have a
dvd collection but I reckon 95% of the disks I'll never watch
again.

Now I've got a blu-ray PS3, but I can't see me replacing my
collection, I did that with my laserdiscs when DVDs came out.


Joe Punter just isn't ready for HD yet, and by the time he is (about
10 years away, in terms of making it viable over here), they'll be
onto Super-HD or whatever's next and the current HD equipment won't
be up to the job. Joe Punter just cannot afford that rate of change.


Typical Dom - makes oh so certain statements backed up by market
research from DomStats.com with a sample size of 1 for each survey.

Hear that sound? It's you throwing in the towel.


Hear that sound? It's me chuckling at Dom reckoning that he understands how
new technologies are taken up. Hehehehe. There I go again, you see,
chuckling away.


--
Steve - www.digitalradiotech.co.uk - Digital Radio News & Info

The adoption of DAB was the most incompetent technical
decision ever made in the history of UK broadcasting:
http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/da...ion_of_dab.htm

Dom Robinson wrote:
In article , [email protected]
says...
Dom Robinson wrote:
In article ,
says...
On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:32:53 GMT, "DAB sounds worse than FM"
[email protected] wrote:

Could your opinion be motivated by the fact that you forked out
for over 1,000 floppy disks, erm, sorry, DVDs, which is a format
that'll eventually be made obsolete by the HD formats? All that
money you've spent and people will just laugh at you for watching
low definition ****e in a couple of years.

Are you seriously suggesting that in the next two years people will
be going out and re-buying everything they currently have on DVD in
some HD format? I think those that do will be in a very small
minority, and they'll be the ones being laughed at, as sad anoraks
with nothing better to waste their money on.

You might think that... I couldn't possibly comment


He hardly concurs with your view that HD formats won't take off at
all cos the "public isn't ready for them".

You've lost, DAB. Quit while you're behind!


Awwwww, bless. I suspect poor Dom is beginning to realise that it is
inevitable that one of the HD formats will win the format war and Jones
reckons DVD is dooooooooooooooooooooooomed.


--
Steve - www.digitalradiotech.co.uk - Digital Radio News & Info

The adoption of DAB was the most incompetent technical
decision ever made in the history of UK broadcasting:
http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/da...ion_of_dab.htm

In article , [email protected] says...
Dom Robinson wrote:
In article , [email protected]
says...
Dom Robinson wrote:
In article , [email protected]
says...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/

Is it working for other people? It worked for me okay yesterday
with only a little bit of buffering going on, but today it seems
to be buffering for 30 seconds, plays for 3 or 4 seconds and goes
back to buffering again. It then stops altogether saying
"Something went wrong ... please try again."

Is it in HD? Did it make you cum?

No, not enough pixels for that.

Are you still deluding yourself that people won't adopt the HD
formats, Dom?

Not for UK TV output and DVDs, no.

So the 60% of households with an HD-ready display by 2011 will decide to
watch BBC1, ITV1, C4 and Five in SD rather than in HD even though there's an
HD version being transmitted then?

That's four years away. You think it'll still be happening by then?

Admittedly, the general public is a strange beast, but surely not that
strange?


What was it, you thought they'd distribute films loaded onto USB
keyfobs and downloads would make HD discs unnecessary?

No, I never said that.


Yes you did:

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk....78a9d648ca01c6

"if it happens at all as cheap hard drives and downloaded films (paid-for or
otherwise) running from those hard drives to the TV will negate the need for
a disc-based format. Either way,
HDDVD and Bluray are doomed."

No, I said nothing about USB keyfobs. Where did you make that up from?

How do you suggest the 25% of
households would manage that don't have a computer?

See above.

Right, I've provided the quote where you did say that people would download
HD and that would mean we won't need an HD disc format, so now answer the
question.

Try again.

And do you not think the
45% or so of households with a computer that have dial-up would be a
bit miffed with the 3-week download of an HD movie? D'ya not reckon
it'll be a bit easier just to stick with discs for a bit?

I've answered why this isn't a problem before. You really should
check back my previous posts rather than attempt to misquote me. Go
on, off you pop.


How could you have provided an answer for how people without a computer
would be able to download an HD film??

You're posing the question about downloading HD films, which isn't the
question at all.

Could your opinion be motivated by the fact that you forked out for
over 1,000 floppy disks, erm, sorry, DVDs,

I haven't. Where did you get that idea?

Your sig says you've got over 1100 DVDs. Did you steal a lot iof them or
something?

It doesn't mean I've got 1100 DVDs.

which is a format that'll eventually
be made obsolete by the HD formats?

It won't. HD-DVD and Blu-Ray will go the way of DCC and DAT. I've
covered this before.

You will be proved wrong on this.

And I'm sure the manufacturers of DCC and DAT said the same thing at the time.
A guy at my local VCR rental store in the early-mid 90s said, "Anyone thinking
of buying a CD player should seriously consider buying a CDi player".

Yeah, and they really took off, didn't they(!)

Just because you tell the public to want something doesn't mean they want it.

Dom Robinson wrote:
In article , [email protected]
says...
wrote:
On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:32:53 GMT, "DAB sounds worse than FM"
[email protected] wrote:

Could your opinion be motivated by the fact that you forked out for
over 1,000 floppy disks, erm, sorry, DVDs, which is a format
that'll eventually be made obsolete by the HD formats? All that
money you've spent and people will just laugh at you for watching
low definition ****e in a couple of years.

Are you seriously suggesting that in the next two years people will
be going out and re-buying everything they currently have on DVD in
some HD format?

I was exaggerating. I was taking the **** out of the fact that old
Dom here is predicting that the HD formats won't take off *at all*,
but it just so happens that he's got over 1100 DVDs, so in reality
he's just against the HD formats because he's invested so much in
DVDs.

There you go again with your inaccurate assumptions.


It says this in your sig:

"1136 DVDs"

Are you admitting that you're a common thief who has stolen hundreds of
DVDs?


and while
there'll be plenty of people buying new stuff in HD, I reckon
there'll be a sizeable enough group still wanting DVDs that they'll
be still be making plenty of them in five years time, never mind
two years time.

Absolutely. But Dom reckons the public isn't ready for HD at all,
and for some reason we'll bypass HD and go for Super-HD - not sure
why we'd bypass HD, cos surely if people are into HD then they'll go
for HD first then Super-HD after. Then again, I've never been able
to figure out Dom's thought processes.

By your logic they would've gone for DAT and DCC because it's better
than cassette,


Pure bull****. DAT was never aimed at the consumer market, and DCC came out
a few months before MiniDisc, which was clearly superior as it offered
random access rather than serial access.

The thing about HD DVDs is that they are definitely aimed at the consumer
market, and as soon as one format wins the format war, or if
players/recorders end up supporting both formats, they will be used by
consumers because HD is "the next big thing" and people are buying HD-ready
displays in very large numbers.

It's all about the circumstances, and the circumstances for HD all point to
it replacing DVD. Sorry, but that's the way it is.


but they didn't, and they skipped those and went for
recordable CDs.


No, quite a lot of people bought MD, but I think Sony held back from pushing
MD hard because they probably knew that recordable CD would take over.


Still, you'll never learn when observation from
things that have gone before show us how things will go again, while
all the time you've got your head in the sand.


Nah, you're just clutching at straws by using crappy examples that were
obviously never going to become mainstream.


--
Steve - www.digitalradiotech.co.uk - Digital Radio News & Info

The adoption of DAB was the most incompetent technical
decision ever made in the history of UK broadcasting:
http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/da...ion_of_dab.htm

In article , [email protected] says...
Dom Robinson wrote:
In article , [email protected]
says...
Dom Robinson wrote:
In article ,
says...
On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:32:53 GMT, "DAB sounds worse than FM"
[email protected] wrote:

Could your opinion be motivated by the fact that you forked out
for over 1,000 floppy disks, erm, sorry, DVDs, which is a format
that'll eventually be made obsolete by the HD formats? All that
money you've spent and people will just laugh at you for watching
low definition ****e in a couple of years.

Are you seriously suggesting that in the next two years people will
be going out and re-buying everything they currently have on DVD in
some HD format? I think those that do will be in a very small
minority, and they'll be the ones being laughed at, as sad anoraks
with nothing better to waste their money on.

You might think that... I couldn't possibly comment


He hardly concurs with your view that HD formats won't take off at
all cos the "public isn't ready for them".

You've lost, DAB. Quit while you're behind!


Awwwww, bless. I suspect poor Dom is beginning to realise that it is
inevitable that one of the HD formats will win the format war and Jones
reckons DVD is dooooooooooooooooooooooomed.

Is your brain stuck?
--

Dom Robinson Gamertag: DVDfever email: dom at dvdfever dot co dot uk
/* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor)
/* 1136 DVDs, 362 games, 338 CDs, 110 cinema films, 51 concerts, videos & news
/* half life 2 episode 2, beatles: help, spiderman x360, russell brand, kylie
New music charts - http://dvdfever.co.uk/music.shtml
Youtube - http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=DVDdom

In article , [email protected] says...
Dom Robinson wrote:
In article , [email protected]
says...
Dom Robinson wrote:
In article ,
says...
Was thinking about this the other day, like most people I have a
dvd collection but I reckon 95% of the disks I'll never watch
again.

Now I've got a blu-ray PS3, but I can't see me replacing my
collection, I did that with my laserdiscs when DVDs came out.


Joe Punter just isn't ready for HD yet, and by the time he is (about
10 years away, in terms of making it viable over here), they'll be
onto Super-HD or whatever's next and the current HD equipment won't
be up to the job. Joe Punter just cannot afford that rate of change.


Typical Dom - makes oh so certain statements backed up by market
research from DomStats.com with a sample size of 1 for each survey.

Hear that sound? It's you throwing in the towel.


Hear that sound? It's me chuckling at Dom reckoning that he understands how
new technologies are taken up. Hehehehe. There I go again, you see,
chuckling away.

It beats any understanding you have, as you prove on a regular basis.
--

Dom Robinson Gamertag: DVDfever email: dom at dvdfever dot co dot uk
/* http://DVDfever.co.uk (editor)
/* 1136 DVDs, 362 games, 338 CDs, 110 cinema films, 51 concerts, videos & news
/* half life 2 episode 2, beatles: help, spiderman x360, russell brand, kylie
New music charts - http://dvdfever.co.uk/music.shtml
Youtube - http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=DVDdom