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"Eeyore" wrote:
altheim wrote:

Food is not a problem - yet, but the economic infrastructure
is now so fragile that future problems that might result
from climate change are potentially disastrous and IMO
will get worse.

What economic fragility ?

The ones I mentioned above (snipped). What the hell
is the matter with you?

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altheim

"altheim" wrote in message
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Was that meant to be facetious? They're congested because
there are too many vehicles on the roads.

No, the roads are congested because the highway infrastructure is twenty
years out of date. They should get some decent roads build and let us get on
with wealth creation instead of sitting in traffic jams.

Bill

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 22:39:57 GMT, "altheim"
wrote:

Was that meant to be facetious? They're congested because
there are too many vehicles on the roads.

There are a few reasons for that as well. The main one being a lack
of good & affordable public transport.

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Cynic

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 22:56:27 GMT, "altheim"
wrote:

And again, this is because there are no jobs in the North.

Unemployment is yet another sure indication of overpopulation
but it is not really anything to do with the threat to our Greenbelt.

No, it isn't. Production and consumption *both* rise with population,
and so the availability of jobs is not affected by population increase
at all.

Lack of employment is due to other factors entirely. One being that
automation has allowed us to make products with less human labour, and
another being that UK labour is too expensive to compete in the global
market - which IMO is due in part to the welfare state.

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Cynic

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 22:42:07 +0100, "Bill Wright"
wrote:

I've often wondered what went wrong with Africa, on the longest time scale.
After all, Africa was the cradle of humanity. You'd think that head start
would have led to many early African civilisations of great sophistication.
But it didn't. Think of the Ancient Egyptians, the Aztecs, the
Mesopotanians, the Romans, the Ancient Chinese. But Africa? Nothing! How
odd. Obviously I mean proper Africa, not the top bit where Egypt is. Strange
that all they did was run around in the jungle for fifty thousand years
until the Europeans came to rape, loop, and pillage, and take slaves.

My theory on that one is that the climate and natural food supply in
Africa is such that there was no need for people to innovate and
invent in order to provide a comfortable living environment.

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Cynic

In article ,
Cynic wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 22:42:07 +0100, "Bill Wright"
wrote:

I've often wondered what went wrong with Africa, on the longest time
scale. After all, Africa was the cradle of humanity. You'd think that
head start would have led to many early African civilisations of great
sophistication. But it didn't. Think of the Ancient Egyptians, the
Aztecs, the Mesopotanians, the Romans, the Ancient Chinese. But Africa?
Nothing! How odd. Obviously I mean proper Africa, not the top bit where
Egypt is. Strange that all they did was run around in the jungle for
fifty thousand years until the Europeans came to rape, loop, and
pillage, and take slaves.

My theory on that one is that the climate and natural food supply in
Africa is such that there was no need for people to innovate and
invent in order to provide a comfortable living environment.

and the the Europeans came along and provided the 'benefits' of modern
medicine.

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"Cynic" wrote in message
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On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 22:42:07 +0100, "Bill Wright"
wrote:

I've often wondered what went wrong with Africa, on the longest time
scale.
After all, Africa was the cradle of humanity. You'd think that head start
would have led to many early African civilisations of great
sophistication.
But it didn't. Think of the Ancient Egyptians, the Aztecs, the
Mesopotanians, the Romans, the Ancient Chinese. But Africa? Nothing! How
odd. Obviously I mean proper Africa, not the top bit where Egypt is.
Strange
that all they did was run around in the jungle for fifty thousand years
until the Europeans came to rape, loop, and pillage, and take slaves.

My theory on that one is that the climate and natural food supply in
Africa is such that there was no need for people to innovate and
invent in order to provide a comfortable living environment.

Could be right. I wonder if that's why negro children underperform in school
compared with asian and caucasian.

Bill

"Cynic" wrote:
"altheim" wrote:

Food is not a problem - yet, but the economic infrastructure
is now so fragile that future problems that might result
from climate change are potentially disastrous and IMO
will get worse.

So you think the population density in the UK is close to breaking
point huh?

Have you ever been to Japan?

I haven't been to Japan but so what? If you are trying
to say that overcrowding is ok for them so it must be
ok for us then you are seriously deranged - at best,
uncaring about the indigenous population and what
they might want. For one thing, it seems the Japanese
seem to prefer city life so it is only the really big cities
that are overcrowded. There is still plenty of room in
the country. Here however, ALL space is at a premium
and we are set to lose even that. When the Greenbelt is
gone, where next - the Yorkshire Moors?

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altheim

"altheim" wrote in message
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"Cynic" wrote:
"altheim" wrote:

Food is not a problem - yet, but the economic infrastructure
is now so fragile that future problems that might result
from climate change are potentially disastrous and IMO
will get worse.

So you think the population density in the UK is close to breaking
point huh?

Have you ever been to Japan?

I haven't been to Japan but so what? If you are trying
to say that overcrowding is ok for them so it must be
ok for us then you are seriously deranged - at best,
uncaring about the indigenous population and what
they might want. For one thing, it seems the Japanese
seem to prefer city life so it is only the really big cities
that are overcrowded. There is still plenty of room in
the country. Here however, ALL space is at a premium
and we are set to lose even that. When the Greenbelt is
gone, where next - the Yorkshire Moors?

There are vast areas of the Pennines that are neither use nor ornament. They
could be made use of as follows:
1. Build a motorway between Sheffield and Manchester. It's a bloody
nightmare at the moment.
2. Use the little valleys that no-one ever sees for landfill.
3. Build on the foothills, in places where there will never be floods.

And another thing. We have to pay the bloody landfill tax because landfill
areas are scarce -- we are told! We have to build on floodplains because
land is scarce -- we are told! So why not use the floodplains for landfill
for ten year periods, then build on them? The houses would be 2 or 3 metres
higher so would not be at risk of flooding.

Bill

"charles" wrote
In article ,
Cynic wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 22:42:07 +0100, "Bill Wright"
wrote:

I've often wondered what went wrong with Africa, on the longest time
scale. After all, Africa was the cradle of humanity. You'd think that
head start would have led to many early African civilisations of great
sophistication. But it didn't. Think of the Ancient Egyptians, the
Aztecs, the Mesopotanians, the Romans, the Ancient Chinese. But Africa?
Nothing! How odd. Obviously I mean proper Africa, not the top bit where
Egypt is. Strange that all they did was run around in the jungle for
fifty thousand years until the Europeans came to rape, loop, and
pillage, and take slaves.

My theory on that one is that the climate and natural food supply in
Africa is such that there was no need for people to innovate and
invent in order to provide a comfortable living environment.

and the the Europeans came along and provided the 'benefits' of modern
medicine.

The EU promised funding Africa with 20 billion Euros some years ago.
NOTHING has happened... the funds were forgotten.
At the last G8, they again promised to fund Africa with 60 billion Euros...
What do you think will happen?

As long as Africa has huge natural resources, like coal, oil, diamonds ores
and so on, Africa is deliberately held down to make profit of
cheap resources by exploitation of the "modern world"'s needs.