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altheim wrote:

"Eeyore" wrote:
MrCheerful wrote:

we are overpopulated now

By what standard ?

There's no shortage of food to feed ppl you know.

I'm not sure which country is referred to by the op above
but I am quite sure it is true of Britain. I also believe we
are overpopulated.

By what standard? I can think of several and they are
nothing to do with food:

Our roads, for one, are congested to the point, almost of
gridlock and it gets worse daily.

That's only because road taxes aren't going to build roads.

Graham

altheim wrote:

Housing is another. For the past twenty years green spaces
have been gradually disappearing from our towns and villages
to be built on for the increasing population. The latest bombshell
to be announced by new broom Gordon Brown is to build 3 millon
new houses, taking what is left of our greenbelt land.

And again, this is because there are no jobs in the North.

Plus, ppl increasingly don't lives as families and we're heading towards one
home per adult.

None of which is really to do with population.

Graham

altheim wrote:

Food is not a problem - yet, but the economic infrastructure
is now so fragile that future problems that might result
from climate change are potentially disastrous and IMO
will get worse.

What economic fragility ?

Graham

Bill Wright wrote:

"Pyriform" wrote in message
Bill Ward wrote:

I've discovered in previous debates an astonishing correlation between a
person using the word "greenies" in connection with an alleged global
warming conspiracy, and that person having no scientific understanding of
any kind.

Your scientific method in identifying this correlation is badly flawed. You
have only one observer (yourself) and that observer exhibits obvious gross
bias.

I'll add my agreement with his observation in that case. I'll also add that the
average global warming believer's idea of debate is to shout down the other
person and usually accuse them of working for 'big oil' for good measure. I have
never come across a less scientific rabble in my entire life..

So now there's 2 of us and it's 2 out of 2.

Graham

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 09:13:43 GMT, "altheim"
wrote:

Food is not a problem - yet, but the economic infrastructure
is now so fragile that future problems that might result
from climate change are potentially disastrous and IMO
will get worse.

So you think the population density in the UK is close to breaking
point huh?

Have you ever been to Japan?

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Cynic

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 10:46:01 +0100, Roderick Stewart
wrote:

There's no shortage of food to feed ppl you know.

As long as you're one of the lucky ones who doesn't live in Africa.

Which has a problem due to mismanagement.

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Cynic

Cynic wrote:

Roderick Stewart wrote:

There's no shortage of food to feed ppl you know.

As long as you're one of the lucky ones who doesn't live in Africa.

Which has a problem due to mismanagement.

Look at the state of Zimbabwe. It used to have some of the most productive farms
in all of Africa. And the destruction of that is all down to the evil actions of
a mad and power-hungry politician.

Graham

"Cynic" wrote in message
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On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 10:46:01 +0100, Roderick Stewart
wrote:

There's no shortage of food to feed ppl you know.

As long as you're one of the lucky ones who doesn't live in Africa.

Which has a problem due to mismanagement.

Let's be honest about Africa. Everywhere where the European colonists threw
the towel in with the place the native Africans haven't managed to set up a
single proper functioning democratic country. I admit that some are better
than others, but none of them are up to much really. The Europeans left
because the place was giving them more grief than profit, and it's a pity,
because of the mess that the place is in now. The fact is that stable
democracies only come about when society generally is mature with long
traditions of tolerance and diversity. That isn't the case is Africa, where
the natives were in the stone age until the Europeans came along. You can't
expect stable societies to form after only a few generations under European
rule. Imagine what would have happened if a more advanced society had
invaded the Britain of 3000BC and then left after only a hundred years. The
place would have immediately reverted to barbarism and savagery, just the
same as has actually happened in much of Africa.

So 'mismanagement' is a bit of an understatement. I can't see how we can do
anything about the really nasty African countries, or how we can be expected
to. Leave them alone for a few thousand years and they might catch up.

I've often wondered what went wrong with Africa, on the longest time scale.
After all, Africa was the cradle of humanity. You'd think that head start
would have led to many early African civilisations of great sophistication.
But it didn't. Think of the Ancient Egyptians, the Aztecs, the
Mesopotanians, the Romans, the Ancient Chinese. But Africa? Nothing! How
odd. Obviously I mean proper Africa, not the top bit where Egypt is. Strange
that all they did was run around in the jungle for fifty thousand years
until the Europeans came to rape, loop, and pillage, and take slaves.

Bill

"Eeyore" wrote:
altheim wrote:
"Eeyore" wrote:
MrCheerful wrote:

we are overpopulated now

By what standard ?

There's no shortage of food to feed ppl you know.

I'm not sure which country is referred to by the op above
but I am quite sure it is true of Britain. I also believe we
are overpopulated.

By what standard? I can think of several and they are
nothing to do with food:

Our roads, for one, are congested to the point, almost of
gridlock and it gets worse daily.

That's only because road taxes aren't going to build roads.

Was that meant to be facetious? They're congested because
there are too many vehicles on the roads.

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altheim

"Eeyore" wrote:
altheim wrote:

Housing is another. For the past twenty years green spaces
have been gradually disappearing from our towns and villages
to be built on for the increasing population. The latest bombshell
to be announced by new broom Gordon Brown is to build 3 millon
new houses, taking what is left of our greenbelt land.

And again, this is because there are no jobs in the North.

Unemployment is yet another sure indication of overpopulation
but it is not really anything to do with the threat to our Greenbelt.

Plus, ppl increasingly don't lives as families and we're heading
towards one home per adult.

That is true enough but the special needs of single parent
families is handled by developers building blocks of flats
on innercity brownbelt. That is not what Gordon Brown is
talking about.

None of which is really to do with population.

I suspect you do not see a problem because you do not want
to see a problem. Care to tell me why?

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altheim