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Bill Wright wrote:

"Pyriform" wrote in message
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Eeyore wrote:
The history of doom-mongering is full of such tales. I'm confident
the same will be shown to be true of AGW before long.

And how do you imagine that is going to happen? Are you confidently
predicting that atmospheric CO2 levels will spontaneously decline to
pre-industrial levels, or that the global mean temperature will
mysteriously fall or stabilise as a result of... what, exactly?

It'll just all fizzle out when they find something else to capitalise out
of. Like it always does. One thing about being old is that you've seen it
all before. The world is full of bull****ters.

Sorry, I couldn't read your previous message. There's no electricity
here and no computers either because the oil all ran out in 1978. and
the coal soon after that.

"Cynic" wrote in message
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On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 21:58:35 +0100, "Pyriform"
wrote:
The GW crisis will mysteriously disappear in the same way as all the
past ones, and a new crisis will take its place. Which you will no
doubt believe just as fervently.

They'll probably have to recycle some old ones. How about

"We're all going to freeze due to global cooling, so we'll die."

"We're all going have to walk because the petrol will run out, so our feet
will hurt so much that we'll die."

"The Russians are going to bomb us so we'll die."

"We're all going to get AIDS and die."

"We're all going to get mad cow disease and die."

"We're all going to get chicken flu and die."

"Cell phone masts will give us all cancer and then we'll die."

And a really old one, "The commies will take over the world, so there'll be
a shortage of essentials and we'll die."

I think it would be simpler to bring back religion. Then we could have
hellfire and damnation, which everyone understands.

Actually, my own list of scarey things includes items never found in the
media because they aren't politically correct. I have fears that are shared
by a vast number of people, but you'll never see them discussed. The result
is that ordinary people suspect a conspiracy. It would be far better to air
these matters. The government and the meeja would rather give us the Global
Warming ******** any day than something that people are really bothered
about, like:

"Because of the differing birthrates of the UK aboriginal population and the
UK Muslim immigrant population, by 2060 this country will be predominantly
Muslim, with all that that implies for our traditional way of life and
cultural values."

Most people will agree that this is far more worrying than the possibility
of global warming, but you won't see the matter aired other than in
whispered converstaions in pubs and workplaces.

Bill

On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 21:58:35 +0100, Pyriform wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
The history of doom-mongering is full of such tales. I'm confident the
same will be shown to be true of AGW before long.

And how do you imagine that is going to happen? Are you confidently
predicting that atmospheric CO2 levels will spontaneously decline to
pre-industrial levels, or that the global mean temperature will
mysteriously fall or stabilise as a result of... what, exactly?

Probably keep fluctuating around as it always has. CO2 is only a minor
player.

What similarly compelling scientific evidence to that for AGW was
adduced in support of any of the previous "doom-mongering tales", do you
think?

They didn't have the budget then to generate the data they needed.
It took out-of-luck pacifists and socialists to join the greenies and
raise enough bucks for the marketing research.

"Steve Firth" wrote in message
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Bill Wright wrote:

"Pyriform" wrote in message
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Eeyore wrote:
The history of doom-mongering is full of such tales. I'm confident
the same will be shown to be true of AGW before long.

And how do you imagine that is going to happen? Are you confidently
predicting that atmospheric CO2 levels will spontaneously decline to
pre-industrial levels, or that the global mean temperature will
mysteriously fall or stabilise as a result of... what, exactly?

It'll just all fizzle out when they find something else to capitalise out
of. Like it always does. One thing about being old is that you've seen it
all before. The world is full of bull****ters.

Sorry, I couldn't read your previous message. There's no electricity
here and no computers either because the oil all ran out in 1978. and
the coal soon after that.

******* innit?

I forgot about the coal. Here we are sitting on 300 years worth of the
stuff. They shut all the mines round here, made thousands redundant, totally
****ed this region, because they could brew leccy cheaper using north sea
gas. Just for the time being of course. Now the gas is gone they're having
to get it from Russia. So the Russians can hold us to ransom any time they
like. They forgot the first principle of national security: make sure your
supplies are safe. Stupid ****s.

Still, at least it has pushed them into thinking seriously about nuclear,
which is deffo the way forward. The problem with coal is the H & S issues.
The thing about nuclear is it's so much safer.

Bill

"Bill Ward" wrote in message
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On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 21:58:35 +0100, Pyriform wrote:

They didn't have the budget then to generate the data they needed.
It took out-of-luck pacifists and socialists to join the greenies and
raise enough bucks for the marketing research.

Don't forget that when they were picketting outside Drax power station one
of the greenies stood up and said "This is only a small part of our agenda.
We are attacking capitalism." In other words, the whole green movement is
full of commies, out to destroy our prosperity.

Bill

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 01:54:11 +0100, Bill Wright wrote:


"Bill Ward" wrote in message
news
On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 21:58:35 +0100, Pyriform wrote:

They didn't have the budget then to generate the data they needed. It
took out-of-luck pacifists and socialists to join the greenies and raise
enough bucks for the marketing research.

Don't forget that when they were picketting outside Drax power station one
of the greenies stood up and said "This is only a small part of our
agenda. We are attacking capitalism." In other words, the whole green
movement is full of commies, out to destroy our prosperity.

Their motto is,"If you can't earn it, just take it for the common good."

"Eeyore" wrote:
MrCheerful wrote:

we are overpopulated now

By what standard ?

There's no shortage of food to feed ppl you know.

I'm not sure which country is referred to by the op above
but I am quite sure it is true of Britain. I also believe we
are overpopulated.

By what standard? I can think of several and they are
nothing to do with food:

Our roads, for one, are congested to the point, almost of
gridlock and it gets worse daily. Everyone wants a car.
Every new immigrant, especially the eastern European
ones, is clamouring to add to the burden. Accident rates
and road rage incidents increase and the authorities'
answer is to introduce traffic calming by cutting the width
of some roads or placing speed bumps to slow down the
flow. Now they are experimenting with congestion charging.

Everything in fact rather than admit the country is simply
overopulated.

Then there is the burden on our services. All are affected,
the fire service, water authorities (currently unable to cope
due to the recent flooding) the police, accident and emergency
services and most important of all, the NHS (National
Health Service). That is so overstretched that people are
being refused treatment, sick people are left on beds in
corridors. People die from diseases contracted in filthy
hospitals because they don't have the staff or the time to
keep them clean. Overworked and underpaid doctors leave
the NHS and even emigrate to countries where they can get
a salary worth their skills, leaving us with second rate doctors
and nurses from third world countries.

Housing is another. For the past twenty years green spaces
have been gradually disappearing from our towns and villages
to be built on for the increasing population. The latest bombshell
to be announced by new broom Gordon Brown is to build 3 millon
new houses, taking what is left of our greenbelt land.

Food is not a problem - yet, but the economic infrastructure
is now so fragile that future problems that might result
from climate change are potentially disastrous and IMO
will get worse.

--
altheim

Bill Ward wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 21:58:35 +0100, Pyriform wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
The history of doom-mongering is full of such tales. I'm confident
the same will be shown to be true of AGW before long.

And how do you imagine that is going to happen? Are you confidently
predicting that atmospheric CO2 levels will spontaneously decline to
pre-industrial levels, or that the global mean temperature will
mysteriously fall or stabilise as a result of... what, exactly?

Probably keep fluctuating around as it always has. CO2 is only a
minor player.

"Probably keep fluctuating around as it always has" - and that's your
scientific assessment, is it? Of course, you are too clueless to understand
that the only reason you know anything at all about previous climate cycles
is through the work of the same field of study that is now telling us that
the current changes are acyclic.

What similarly compelling scientific evidence to that for AGW was
adduced in support of any of the previous "doom-mongering tales", do
you think?

They didn't have the budget then to generate the data they needed.
It took out-of-luck pacifists and socialists to join the greenies and
raise enough bucks for the marketing research.

I've discovered in previous debates an astonishing correlation between a
person using the word "greenies" in connection with an alleged global
warming conspiracy, and that person having no scientific understanding of
any kind. You provide additional evidence that this is indeed the case.

In article , Eeyore wrote:
MrCheerful wrote:

we are overpopulated now

By what standard ?

By the standard that our current civilisation depends on using stuff up
faster than it's being replaced, and thus must inevitably come to an
end, or change drastically. It may be impossible to predict exactly
when and how quickly this will happen, but it absolutely certainly
will.

There's no shortage of food to feed ppl you know.

As long as you're one of the lucky ones who doesn't live in Africa.

"Eeyore" wrote in message
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MrCheerful wrote:

we are overpopulated now

By what standard ?

There's no shortage of food to feed ppl you know.

Graham

the carbon calculator: to get it to a sustainable level we need to cull a
sixth of the population, therefore we are over populated