Digital tuners in all TVs sold

"Roderick Stewart" wrote in message
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I was trying to think of a simple but related term for something that
would do for audio signals what a screen does for video signals, i.e.
present them to the viewer/listener in a form appropriate to the type
of signal, by which I meant through loudspeakers in the case of an
audio amplifier. You wouldn't expect such a device to receive radio
signals on its own, and you wouldn't call it a radio set.

In many contexts, a "loudspeaker" includes its amplifier(s). For example,
sitting on my desk and connected to my PC are a pair of devices bought as
"loudspeakers", they include amplifiers. In the professional audio world
(sound recording and broadcasting) a monitoring loudspeaker is considered
as a device that takes a line level input and produces sound. And I own
quite a large "PA speaker" that contains its own amplifiers. Unfortunately
there isn't a separate term to distinguish speakers that contain amplifiers
from those that don't.
--
Tony W
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- but please don't use it, reply to the group.

"Andy Burns" wrote in message
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On 02/07/2007 17:06, buddenbrooks wrote:

All TVs sold in France from December must contain a HD Digital tuner.

Have you got a source that states they are compelled to contain such a
tuner/decoder? Or is it merely that *if* you want it to work with TNT, you
will require one with such a tuner/decoder?

It was from a technical magazine which is at work.

The statement was as I quoted, no reference to the desires or intended use
of the buyer

"André Coutanche" wrote in message
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I was struck by the - err - uncompromising nature of the phrasing. A
quick google hasn't got me back to anything definitive in French, but
based on the reports I've found in English, I think the statement
needs qualifying to read: "all *high-definition ready* tvs sold in
France from December must contain a high-definition tuner".


Governments tend to pass uncompromising laws. If France has decided that HD
is the future of French TV, then protecting the public by removing
non-complient TVs from the shops is a good move.

Unfortunately there isn't a separate term to distinguish speakers that
contain amplifiers from those that don't.


I'm not arguing with you as it has not achieved dictionary status but
ISTR "active speaker" was used for such beasts when I used to look at
hi-fi (i.e. before my ears went beyond cloth to felt). And Google
suggests the term is still in common use

--
Robin

"Andy Burns" wrote in message
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On 02/07/2007 23:25, buddenbrooks wrote:

It was from a technical magazine which is at work.

The statement was as I quoted, no reference to the desires or intended
use of the buyer

Still sounds like an over-simplification, a reference would be nice it it
happens to be handy when you're at work ...




France introduced its new TV law on February 22nd, mandating consumer
electronics manufacturers to roll-out MPEG-4 HD compatible televisions.
Following the lead of the US market, France has imposed obligations on the
consumer electronics industry (TV manufacturers and retailers) so that
consumer equipment matches the broadcasting roadmap for digital terrestrial
television. From March 2008 on, built-in DTT tuners will become mandatory
for all television sets sold in France. Then from December 2008, televisions
will also need to be MPEG-4 HD compatible.

http://www.screendigest.com/online_s...-vl1.stml/show

France introduced its new TV law on February 22nd, mandating consumer
electronics manufacturers to roll-out MPEG-4 HD compatible
televisions.

I too have Googled. (To put off ....)

For those with good Frence the text of the legisaltion is available at
http://www.senat.fr/dossierleg/pjl05-467.html (or if you want to go
direct to the final ext
http://www.assemblee-nationale.fr/12/ta/ta0702.asp). I am not up to
translating it but Article 19 does seem to regulate the market:

"I. - Dans un délai de neuf mois à compter de la promulgation de la
présente loi, les téléviseurs vendus par les industriels aux
distributeurs d'équipement électronique grand public sur le territoire
national intègrent un adaptateur permettant la réception des services de
la télévision numérique terrestre.

Dans un délai de douze mois à compter de la promulgation de la présente
loi, les téléviseurs vendus aux consommateurs sur le territoire national
intègrent un adaptateur permettant la réception des services de la
télévision numérique terrestre.

À partir du 1er décembre 2008, les téléviseurs et les enregistreurs mis
en vente par un professionnel permettant la réception des programmes en
haute définition intègrent un adaptateur prévu à cet effet.

[plus lots more]
......

Anyone who has contacts with (or is with) a UK broadcaster or their
legal advisers who can comment on how this reconciles with European
market law? (Evidence to the C,M and Sport Select Committee in 2005
from Oxford Univeristy's was that "While national governments are not
free individually to mandate digital TV sets, since the market for TV
receivers is a European one, in other respects they have considerable
latitude.". Surely the French can't be ignoring Brussels (and
Luxembourg), can they?)

--
Robin

On 03/07/2007 06:53, buddenbrooks wrote:

France introduced its new TV law on February 22nd

thanks, the idea sounds sensible (if at odds with free trade, though
that sounds consistent with france's self-protection stance)

http://www.screendigest.com/online_s...-vl1.stml/show

On 03/07/2007 06:53, buddenbrooks wrote:

France introduced its new TV law on February 22nd

A babel fish translation[0] from the National Assembly

http://babelfish.altavista.com/babel...on_futur.as p

[0] I like the literal translation of Mr Pierre Hedgehog :-)

On 03/07/2007 09:36, Robin wrote:

I too have Googled. (To put off ....)

I've googled
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22%2...22+si te%3Afr

and I've babelfished!
http://babelfish.altavista.com/babel...a%2fta0702.asp

Article 19 seems to be the relevant part for equipment

translating it but Article 19 does seem to regulate the market:

Ah yes, you'd spotted that, it seems to me that the obligation to
provide HD/MPEG4/digital-only kit is only on "own territory"
manufacturers (would that be Thomson?)

Couldn't see much at
http://www.simavelec.fr/

Ah yes, you'd spotted that, it seems to me that the obligation to
provide HD/MPEG4/digital-only kit is only on "own territory"
manufacturers (would that be Thomson?)

Thanks for the links. And possibly - though I wasn't clear
about/confident in Babelfish's translation and wondered if "industriels
aux distributeurs" might mean distributors - ie anyone who supplies
retailers in France. But I guess we really need someone with French and
law - and ideally French law - to construe Article 19. Either way, the
French show again they will close their markets when they feel like it.

--
Robin