Digital tuners in all TVs sold

"Graham" wrote in message
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Actually LG did make a set with an integrated SKY Digibox, (a modified
Pace box), but that's rather the exception that proves the rule.

I know I will be corrected if wrong, but I seem to recall the law of our
land stopped them.

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Graham wrote:
"Bill Wright" wrote in message
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"buddenbrooks" wrote in message
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So it is not at all unreasonable for a customer to walk into a
shop, buy a "Television" note the 'tele' part it means
transmission so an item advertised as a television is claiming to
receive broadcasts, and expect it to perform for an acceptable
period. Which for an electronics item of this type means in excess of 10
years. In the UK analog only TVs fill not be TELEvisions after at
most 5 years.


The TV set would still be capable of receiving broadcasts even if the
broadcasts had stopped for ever. After all, if Emley Moor was off
the air due to a fault I would have a claim again the firm who sold
me my telly would I?

Aerial contractors have problems with this. We are responsible for
the aerial performing properly but we can't be blamed if a big
building goes up and cuts the signal off.

If you bought a car and ran out of road one dark night it wouldn't
be the car dealer's fault would it?

Bill

How come there is an expectation that DTT is integrated into
the receiver, but no such expectation exists for the other two UK
popular platforms.

Because DTT is free to the viewer (yes , I know there's a chargeable option)
just like analogue is.
Cable services always provide you with a decoder in the price so there's no
advantage of having one in your TV , and Sky is similar in that respect.

With a DTT tuner then you are always going to be able to use it to watch
*some* tv [1]



[1] Yes , I realise that the tv might outlast DTT or that you may not have
an aerial or live outside coverage , but it's close enough

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"buddenbrooks" wrote in message
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"Graham" wrote in message
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How come there is an expectation that DTT is integrated into
the receiver, but no such expectation exists for the other two UK
popular
platforms.

My expectation is that a 'Television' sold tday shall perform its
function without adaptors from the day of purchase for the rest of its
functioning life.

This would be met by any of the platforms you mention. It is not met by
an
analog only set.

It wouldn't be met if the tuner type differed from the platform available in
the home you move into.

With three different platforms, and the fact that some will want a hard disk
recorder, some a DVD recorder, some a particular recorder, and some no
recorder at all, it makes sense to make TVs with no built-in tuner at all.
Especially as some people just want to use it to play DVDs or games.

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"buddenbrooks" wrote in message
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"Graham" wrote in message
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How come there is an expectation that DTT is integrated into
the receiver, but no such expectation exists for the other two UK popular
platforms.


My expectation is that a 'Television' sold tday shall perform its
function without adaptors from the day of purchase for the rest of its
functioning life.

My expectation was that my body would perform its function without
prosthetics from the day of birth for the rest of its functioning life. My
expectation was that my wife's Volvo would perform its function without a
new engine at 90,000 miles for the rest of its functioning life. My
expectation was that this computer would . . .

Bill

On 02/07/2007 07:55, David wrote:

"Graham" wrote in message
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Actually LG did make a set with an integrated SKY Digibox, (a modified
Pace box), but that's rather the exception that proves the rule.

I know I will be corrected if wrong, but I seem to recall the law of our
land stopped them.

Because it didn't have a CAM slot I beleive

In article ,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Peter Gillett wrote:
I recently bought a 21" flatscreen Analog TV for the bedroom for GBP 80
and a Freeview box to go with it for GBP30 all from Sainsburys. They had
the freeview version of the same TV for GBP130. I of course bought the
separates setup, and it works well.

So to save 20 quid you had two boxes rather than one and two remote
controls? Was it worth it?

Yes!
It saved more than GBP20 as I already had the spare Freeview box from when
I upgraded the main set to a pvr.

Peter

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Peter Gillett :
Totnes : South Devon

On Mon, 2 Jul 2007 00:42:53 +0100, "Graham" wrote:

How come there is an expectation that DTT is integrated into
the receiver, but no such expectation exists for the other two UK popular
platforms.

It has been the expectation since radio and television were invented
that a "radio set" or a "TV set" would be a complete set of equipment
(hence the use of the word "set") for receiving radio or TV
programmes.

It is only in recent years that it has even been possible to plug
little boxes into domestic TV display devices to achieve anything
different, and although "audio display devices" have been available
since the start of broadcasting, unless they have built-in radio
tuners nobody ever calls them radio sets, but audio amplifiers.

Rod.

In article ,
Roderick Stewart wrote:
It has been the expectation since radio and television were invented
that a "radio set" or a "TV set" would be a complete set of equipment
(hence the use of the word "set") for receiving radio or TV
programmes.

It is only in recent years that it has even been possible to plug
little boxes into domestic TV display devices to achieve anything
different, and although "audio display devices" have been available
since the start of broadcasting, unless they have built-in radio
tuners nobody ever calls them radio sets, but audio amplifiers.

Early Band I TV sets were sometimes fitted with plug in Band III tuners
when ITV arrived.

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In article , Roderick
Stewart
wrote:


It is only in recent years that it has even been possible to plug little
boxes into domestic TV display devices to achieve anything different,
and although "audio display devices" have been available since the start
of broadcasting, unless they have built-in radio tuners nobody ever
calls them radio sets, but audio amplifiers.

Well, I don't know of anyone until now who has used the term 'audio
display devices'. But if they did I'd expect them to either be talking
about something like a scope or specan displaying audio signals, or disco
lights, or perhaps a loudspeaker. Not an amplifier. Strange term, though.

Amazing how much logic chopping people do in the cause of giving their
views as 'legal amateurs'... :-)

Slainte,

Jim

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In article ,
Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Mon, 2 Jul 2007 00:42:53 +0100, "Graham" wrote:

How come there is an expectation that DTT is integrated into
the receiver, but no such expectation exists for the other two UK popular
platforms.

It has been the expectation since radio and television were invented
that a "radio set" or a "TV set" would be a complete set of equipment
(hence the use of the word "set") for receiving radio or TV
programmes.

It is only in recent years that it has even been possible to plug
little boxes into domestic TV display devices to achieve anything
different,

Recent years? what about Band III tuners for Band I only sets or UpVertas
for use on VHF cable systems?

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