Plans for Sky's unused spectrum at 28.2 East?

On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 00:05:15 -0000, Roderick Stewart
wrote:

In article , Charles Ellson
wrote:
If the contract you sign when you take a subscription says
the box is yours, then it's yours, regardless of how it's paid for.

The contract does not have to say anything about ownership. Unless the
contract says otherwise, it is implicit that the box belongs to the
buyer upon receipt.

Indeed it doesn't have to, but in this case it does say something, and
what it says is that the box belongs to the subscriber from day one, so
that would seem to settle the matter.

Well, putting it another way then, this particular part of the
contract merely states the default position and is thus informative
rather than constructive to the contract.

On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 17:27:16 +0000, MJ Ray wrote:

Stephen M Baines wrote:
The contract says it's yours from day 1. Read. It's good for you.

I have never signed a Sky contract. Can I read it online somewhere?

No offence meant, but you could claim it says anything.

Go to www.sky.com

Click on "Join Sky Online"

Click "Join Sky - Join Sky Online"

At the bottom of the white area is "Subscription Terms and Conditions"

--
Stephen M Baines

http://www.alledal.nu

Jerry wrote:

They can charge you (currently £25 IIRC) if you fail to respect the
contract terms relating to the phone connection, and they can
oblige
you to pay the minimum subscription term of 1 year. But neither has
anything to do with the ownership of the box.


Except that the cost of the box is subsidised via the subscription,
why do you think they have a minimum period?


So? This has no effect on the ownership.

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Stephen M Baines
On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 17:27:16 +0000, MJ Ray wrote:
I have never signed a Sky contract. Can I read it online somewhere?

Go to www.sky.com

Click on "Join Sky Online"

Done the above.

Click "Join Sky - Join Sky Online"

Thanks, but I can't see that link. I can see 'JOIN ONLINE' under a
heading of 'JOIN SKY' but it returns me to the same page at address
http://mysky.sky.com/portal/site/sky...e.cachetok en

So, I can't see this:

At the bottom of the white area is "Subscription Terms and Conditions"

Puzzled,
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MJR/slef

On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 15:41:05 +0000, MJ Ray wrote:

Stephen M Baines

So, I can't see this:

At the bottom of the white area is "Subscription Terms and Conditions"

Puzzled,

OK, I was trying to avoid a huge link. Try this:

http://mysky.sky.com/portal/site/sky...e.cachetok en

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Stephen M Baines

http://www.alledal.nu

Stephen M Baines wrote:
http://mysky.sky.com/portal/site/sky...e.cachetok en

http://mysky.sky.com/portal/site/sky...e.cachetok en
is the same Join Sky/Join Online page as before. Where is the contract?

Regards,
--
MJR/slef

"Bob Lucas" wrote in message
...
I share your surprise that Sky do not include a Retention of Title in the
terms of their standard contract. They did not - and as a result, the Sky
box becomes your property from Day 1. Sky cannot demand that you return
the equipment.



It may be that they do not want to risk giving the box to another
subscriber. A disgruntelled customer might sabatage it and it could be
dangerous. The installer would be legaly liable for installing a dangerous
electrical item, (as would the original subscriber).

Also the box is not nesccesarily new and therefore its value is debateable.
Better to stick to the 12 months subscription charge which is a clearly
defined sum.

"Mike Henry" wrote in message
...
It's dependant on the fulfilment
of the minimum contract period,

False.

Probably true ,

The contract boils down to if you do A we will do B, if you fail to meet
your part A then you cannot insist on the rights of B.
What the contract says that if you do not fulfil your part how they will
respond. They say they will not recover the box but sue for the money.

In practice the box is about £10 worth of electronics and is not worth SKYs
while recovering.

In article , Hamish wrote:
I share your surprise that Sky do not include a Retention of Title in the
terms of their standard contract. They did not - and as a result, the Sky
box becomes your property from Day 1. Sky cannot demand that you return
the equipment.


It may be that they do not want to risk giving the box to another
subscriber. A disgruntelled customer might sabatage it and it could be
dangerous. The installer would be legaly liable for installing a dangerous
electrical item, (as would the original subscriber).

Also the box is not nesccesarily new and therefore its value is debateable.
Better to stick to the 12 months subscription charge which is a clearly
defined sum.

The value of the box wouldn't really be of any concern to the customer
if it's not their property. Presumably if a company provides the use
of something that remains theirs, they would simply replace or update
it as necessary to keep it functional. I've just taken delivery of a
broadband box from Orange which apparently does remain their property,
so clearly this scheme is also regarded as quite workable.

On the other hand, the safety implications of passing on "pre-owned"
equipment without thoroughly testing it are quite valid. I guess Sky
consider this to be uneconomic but Orange have a different opinion.

Rod.

"David Taylor" wrote in message
...
. But
since the box is yours, they can't take it back.

You cannot split a contract this way, you get the benifits of the
agreement when you meet the responsibilities of the contract.

For example I was unhappy with the quality of a pair of specticals I was
supplied with and rejected them as not fit for purpose.
I had also to return the 'free' second pair as they were only 'free' as part
of the whole contract.