OT - All DAB receivers to be obsolete - DAB is dead

JF wrote:

In message , Chas Gill
writes

and I found it to be offensive and out of place in this NG.

Of course you did! That was the whole point! My use of 'wog' was the
equivalent of tapping a ship's biscuit on the wardroom table to dislodge
weevils. They fall out of the biccy, thrashing and gnashing and run
screaming for their mummies in the pious hope that such reactions
convince a disbelieving world that they're not racist when, of course,
they are. We all are. Our news editors understand us better than we
understand ourselves. They know that if a story hits the wires: 'Delhi
train derailment. Thousands feared dead.' that the only thing their
readers will be interested in is whether or not there were any Brits
among the victims. Ten Brits killed is enough for the senior editor to
authorise the cost of on the ground coverage.


it must be a great comfort to you to project your own racism onto
others, but it does not mean you are right. The reason I take an
interest in overseas disasters has sweet FA to do with anyone's
nationality or the colour of their skin and everything to do with them
being human beings.

And those that scream the loudest about other appalling people using
dreadful words, will be eagerly watching the Olympic games to see if our
nationals can **** all other their nationals.


nationalism != racism.

Next Olympics or World Cup have a look at the composition of the
English competitors / team.

Steve

JF wrote:

In message , Chas Gill
writes

and I found it to be offensive and out of place in this NG.

Of course you did! That was the whole point! My use of 'wog' was the
equivalent of tapping a ship's biscuit on the wardroom table to dislodge
weevils. They fall out of the biccy, thrashing and gnashing and run
screaming for their mummies in the pious hope that such reactions
convince a disbelieving world that they're not racist when, of course,
they are. We all are.

Poppycock.

And those that scream the loudest about other appalling people using
dreadful words, will be eagerly watching the Olympic games to see if our
nationals can **** all other their nationals.

Er, no. There is no racism necessarily involved in wishing to see one
group achieve on the sports field. Certainly, one could attach race to
sport (look how successful it was for Hitler in 1936) but almost no-one
does in my experience.

Cheers,
Luke




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DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:

Luke Bosman wrote:

I meant no criticism of, nor comment on, any timescale. I stopped
using my ONdigital box because it died. My parents' old colour tv,
bought in 1967, still works.

Your last post, just like the post I'm replying to, imply something: the
last one implied that 405-line TV took years and years before it was
actually switched off - the implication was obviously that it will or might
happen that way on DAB.

I'm sorry to say that you infer too much from what I wrote. I mentioned
the period of time simply because it was so surprisingly long. The same
applies to the lifespan of my parents' first colour tv.

This last post you're doing it again, by saying that
your OnDigital box died, therefore trying to imply that likely many other
people's boxes did too, thus the rapid decline in the number of legacy
set-top boxes was partly to do with them dying, and not because people just
binned them because they bought better boxes.

No. I was giving one example of one reason that one went out of use. You
stated "they worked okay(ish), they could receive all the channels okay,
and yet people simply stopped using them."

I could give another example, that being my brother who moved to Sky
Digital shortly after ITV Digital gave up the ghost. He had no further
use for the box.

You're basically looking for excuses for why DAB won't switch over to AAC+.

No. I'm not. I never have. Once again, you have inferred too much from
my post. Please, read the lines and not what you believe may lie in
between.

Face it, it will.

I'm quite sure of that.

You know, I do actually agree with much of what you write.

Cheers,
Luke


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We went up twice with Tilly and Brush

Pyriform wrote:

Matti Lamprhey wrote:
"tony sayer" wrote...
DAB sounds worse than FM writes

The issue is obviously the use of the word "wog".

My old dad when he came back from trashing Rommell and his ilk, told
me it meant Worthy Oriental Gentleman dunno whether thats correct
or not

That and similar 'derivations' are regarded as apocryphal. Look it up
in wikipedia.

The use of such terms can be dangerous -- if you want to start the
process of cleansing a group of people, first find a suitable
pejorative term for them. The term was heard most recently on BBC4's
programme on the Suez Crisis, when an erstwhile squaddie said "To us
they were all wogs -- we didn't really consider them to be human."

Indeed. All these folk etymologies are irrelevant. What matters with a
word - any word - is what it means, and how it is used. We all know exactly
what Follett meant.

Indeed. http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=wog&searchmode=none
actually tells me more than I knew previously about the term but I would
not trust that as much as the OED, my copy of which I cannot be bothered
to consult right now.

Cheers,
Luke


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Edster wrote:

(Luke Bosman) wrote in
message

Really? That would lead to issues with rights similar to those on the
internet. The BBC do not hold the rights to broadcast football
commentary nationally in the same way as they do for local radio. (I
wish they did, to be honest, as PremiumTV are doing a terrible job of
internet commentary, which is the only way to listen to a lot of
Football League games.)

[...]
Surely copyright would be with the commentators rather than the
football club though? TV would be different because you would be
displaying copyright images, logos, etc. But with audio only you would
not. Unless the football clubs wrote the commentary, which is
unlikely.

I believe the rights involve such things as being allowed to enter a
football ground with radio transmission equipment. I'm not sure that
copyright has a lot to do with it. I am, obviously, not a lawyer.

Cheers,
Luke


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We went up twice with Tilly and Brush

DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:

You make it sound like the only thing that has changed with the move from
analogue TV to digital TV is that we've got a load of incompatibilies and no
gain. What about the number of TV channels that are available - 500 on Sky
alone, compared to 5 on analogue.

While I'm certainly not one of those naysayers who believe that Sky [1]
is full of junk, how many of those 500 channels carry genuine
programming? My recollection of Sky (I cancelled the sub at the
beginning of the year, having realised that I actually watched Freeview
or DVDs almost exclusively) is that a lot of channels are shopping
channels or are showing the same film as the previous one.

That may well still leave 300 channels. I don't know.

Cheers,
Luke

[1] which I shall use here as a reference to the satellite broadcasting
system commonly received in this country through a Sky Digibox, just for
the benefit of lurking pedants.


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Swansea City 2-2 Southend United
We went up twice with Tilly and Brush

JF wrote:

In message , Chas Gill
writes

and I found it to be offensive and out of place in this NG.

Of course you did! That was the whole point! My use of 'wog' was the
equivalent of tapping a ship's biscuit on the wardroom table to dislodge
weevils. They fall out of the biccy, thrashing and gnashing and run
screaming for their mummies in the pious hope that such reactions
convince a disbelieving world that they're not racist when, of course,
they are. We all are.

Poppycock.

I gnash my teeth more at the death of a close relative than at the death
of someone whom I have never met. That has nothing to do with race. If a
bomb were to explode in my town it would be more interesting than the
explosion of a bomb in Singapore, Skovorodino or Standish.

And those that scream the loudest about other appalling people using
dreadful words, will be eagerly watching the Olympic games to see if our
nationals can **** all other their nationals.

Er, no. There is no racism necessarily involved in wishing to see one
group achieve on the sports field. Certainly, one could attach race to
sport (look how successful it was for Hitler in 1936) but almost no-one
does in my experience.

Cheers,
Luke




--
Lincoln City 0-2 Southend United (AET)
Swansea City 2-2 Southend United
We went up twice with Tilly and Brush

Luke Bosman wrote:
DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:

You make it sound like the only thing that has changed with the move
from analogue TV to digital TV is that we've got a load of
incompatibilies and no gain. What about the number of TV channels
that are available - 500 on Sky alone, compared to 5 on analogue.

While I'm certainly not one of those naysayers who believe that Sky
[1] is full of junk, how many of those 500 channels carry genuine
programming? My recollection of Sky (I cancelled the sub at the
beginning of the year, having realised that I actually watched
Freeview or DVDs almost exclusively) is that a lot of channels are
shopping channels or are showing the same film as the previous one.

That may well still leave 300 channels. I don't know.


Okay then, change my mention of Sky to Freeview, so there's 30-odd channels
instead of 5 - the point still stands.


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In message , STOMPER 88
writes
JF ROTED

As for quality, a whole generation have grown up who have never seen a
film in VistaVision, Todd-A0, or even Cinerama unless they toddle along
to some boring specialist museum wog-infested Bradford.

SEEK HILE TO THAT ITS GUD TO SEE THERES ANUTHER IN THIS BORD WITH
THERE HED ON STRATE BRADFORD IS THE POO HOWL OF BRITANE AND THERE
MUSEUMS ARE JUST A FRUNT FOR THERE COUNSILS AMES TO DISTROY ARE RACE

ROTFL.

Classic.
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Ian

In article ,
Edster wrote:
I noticed everything was louder for some reason, presumably they have
research that says most of their listeners are a bit deaf and have
something wrong with their volume controls.

Merely to match the level the pop boys use on FreeView.

Radio 4 doesn't play pop.

Well, no. But it doesn't exist in a vacuum either.


But I don't see how that
would explain the hiss? BBC7 is just as loud as Radio 4, if not
louder, and does not hiss.

If you were comparing it direct to FM, but it was at a higher level, any
background would be more noticeable.

In my workshop I have a choice of FM, DAB and Freeview and can
measure/set the levels accurately for each one. Switching between them
there is no obvious change in hiss. And using R4 as the source, just
about no change in quality either. Those who hear this massive change
on R4 between DAB and FM when DAB is at 128 kbps should put their
'golden ears' to better use.

You must have crap speakers or ears if you can't tell the difference
between FM, DAB and Freeview.

I've not had any complaints. How do you compare them? Do you match levels
accurately? Use a delay in FM so that isn't confusing? Or just have
pre-concieved beliefs?

Apparently a lot of people don't see the logos and other advertising
text and graphics TV broadcasters put all over the screen during
programmes, but that doesn't mean it's not there.


The hiss on Freeview is obviously deliberate, because it is not
present on FM or DAB.

Strange. It's simply not present here. Now it's quite possible for faulty
domestic whatever to produce and add hiss, but not remove it.

Would you like me to send you some wave files of all three?

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