OT - All DAB receivers to be obsolete - DAB is dead

On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 23:13:48 GMT, "DAB sounds worse than FM"
wrote:


I know nothing about how they phased out 405-line TV, and nor do I care
about what happened in a time when the consumer electronics industry was
unrecognisingly backward in comparison to today.

I do. I was there. They made sure there was an unarguably better
system in place before they started dismantling the old one, and they
took about twenty years to do it, so hardly anyone was inconvenienced
at all. I don't expect we'll ever see a public service improvement tso
well organised ever again.

As for consumer electronics being "backward", quite a lot of it was
still British, and now it isn't. The first all transistor colur
television chassis in the world was British, yet now I don't think we
design anything ourselves at all. Do you think that was backward?

There used to be one type of video signal used throughout the entire
programme making and broadcasting chain, so the same signal could
travel all the way from the camera to the output of the tuner in the
viewer's TV set without any alteration. Now we have a plethora of
incompatible picture and screen shapes, component, composite and
digitally encoded signals, plugs and sockets, recording systems and
viewing devices, not to mention a few deliberate incompatibilities
resulting from anti-copying systems and region coding, and a viewing
public that is thoroughly confused by the whole sorry mess, with most
of them probably not seeing or hearing anything like what their home
entertainment equipment is capable of because they just don't know how
to connect it up. I sometimes wonder which way "progress" is taking
us.

Rod.

"Pyriform" wrote:

Matti Lamprhey wrote:
The use of such terms can be dangerous -- if you want to start the
process of cleansing a group of people, first find a suitable
pejorative term for them. The term was heard most recently on BBC4's
programme on the Suez Crisis, when an erstwhile squaddie said "To us
they were all wogs -- we didn't really consider them to be human."

Indeed. All these folk etymologies are irrelevant. What matters with a
word - any word - is what it means, and how it is used. We all know exactly
what Follett meant.

Yep. And the only etymology that stands scrutiny in this case is the
abbreviation of golliwog. The (several) acronyms seem to have been
created later as jokes and/or attempts to justify the use of the word.

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JF wrote:
In message , Chas Gill
writes

and I found it to be offensive and out of place in this NG.

Of course you did! That was the whole point! My use of 'wog' was the
equivalent of tapping a ship's biscuit on the wardroom table to
dislodge weevils. They fall out of the biccy, thrashing and gnashing
and run screaming for their mummies in the pious hope that such
reactions convince a disbelieving world that they're not racist when,
of course, they are. We all are.


No, we are NOT all racist in terms of the commonly held meaning of the word.
You are, though.



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Edster wrote:
"DAB sounds worse than FM" wrote in message

Steve Terry wrote:
"Luke Bosman" wrote in
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JF wrote:

As for quality, a whole generation have grown up who have never
seen a film in VistaVision, Todd-A0, or even Cinerama unless they
toddle along to some boring specialist museum wog-infested
Bradford.

Did you really just say that?
Luke

I think he said what a lot just dare to think, the Ghetto of
Bradford


"ghetto" is a perfectly fair word to use, but "wog-infested" is
about as overtly racist as you can get. So I'd hope that this lot of
people that you say he's speaking up for would not use that word.


is a prime example of this Govs failure in integration.


That's also perfectly legitimate.


Or is it as JFK said, "Ask not what your county can do for you, etc"
It takes those who want to integrate to do so.


The issue is obviously the use of the word "wog".

It will be interesting to see the Crown Court episodes that he wrote.
There are subtle references to white supremacy in some of his 1980s
radio drama if you listen out for them, but overt racism was actively
encouraged on 1970s TV shows.


Are you referring to James Follet? If so, I can believe it.


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Edster wrote:
(Luke Bosman) wrote in
message

Edster wrote:

"DAB sounds worse than FM" wrote in message

Then they will want all the regional BBC radio stations on there as
well so that people can listen to their own regional station
regardless of where they are in the country. (I believe they have
stated this as their goal at some point in the past?).

Really? That would lead to issues with rights similar to those on the
internet. The BBC do not hold the rights to broadcast football
commentary nationally in the same way as they do for local radio. (I
wish they did, to be honest, as PremiumTV are doing a terrible job of
internet commentary, which is the only way to listen to a lot of
Football League games.)

Cheers,
Luke

Someone on Feedback last year said they would like to have all the
regional stations on DAB so that people would be able to keep in touch
with their home town whilst on the move.


And that definitely will not happen. People can say anything on Feedback,
that doesn't mean that what they say will actually happen.

There's 31 local BBC stations, and there's nowhere near enough room to
transmit them all on their national multiplex even if you removed all the
existing national stations........



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Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 00:23:18 GMT, "DAB sounds worse than FM"
wrote:

I meant no criticism of, nor comment on, any timescale. I stopped
using my ONdigital box because it died. My parents' old colour tv,
bought in 1967, still works.


Your last post, just like the post I'm replying to, imply something:
the last one implied that 405-line TV took years and years before it
was actually switched off - the implication was obviously that it
will or might happen that way on DAB. This last post you're doing it
again, by saying that your OnDigital box died, therefore trying to
imply that likely many other people's boxes did too, thus the rapid
decline in the number of legacy set-top boxes was partly to do with
them dying, and not because people just binned them because they
bought better boxes.

There has been quite a considerable culture change since the days of
the 405/625 TV changeover, with both the public's and the
broadcasters' attitudes being quite different from what they were.
Most people now would not think it at all strange to replace
technology every two or three years, instead of every twenty or
thirty. Also, the broadcasters all seem to be thinking in terms of
maximising profits rather than providing a service for the public.
Personally I don't like change for the sake of change if it doesn't
improve anything, but there's probably no escaping it.


Yeah, there's no point in changing if it doesn't improve anything, but the
new DAB standard does change things completely, because it's 4-times more
efficient than the old standard was.


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Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 23:13:48 GMT, "DAB sounds worse than FM"
wrote:


I know nothing about how they phased out 405-line TV, and nor do I
care about what happened in a time when the consumer electronics
industry was unrecognisingly backward in comparison to today.

I do. I was there. They made sure there was an unarguably better
system in place before they started dismantling the old one, and they
took about twenty years to do it, so hardly anyone was inconvenienced
at all. I don't expect we'll ever see a public service improvement tso
well organised ever again.

As for consumer electronics being "backward", quite a lot of it was
still British, and now it isn't. The first all transistor colur
television chassis in the world was British, yet now I don't think we
design anything ourselves at all. Do you think that was backward?


It was not a reference to the UK industry, just a reference to the fact that
consumer electronics changes at light speed compared to what it used to -
because digital technology allows change so easily.


There used to be one type of video signal used throughout the entire
programme making and broadcasting chain, so the same signal could
travel all the way from the camera to the output of the tuner in the
viewer's TV set without any alteration. Now we have a plethora of
incompatible picture and screen shapes, component, composite and
digitally encoded signals, plugs and sockets, recording systems and
viewing devices, not to mention a few deliberate incompatibilities
resulting from anti-copying systems and region coding, and a viewing
public that is thoroughly confused by the whole sorry mess, with most
of them probably not seeing or hearing anything like what their home
entertainment equipment is capable of because they just don't know how
to connect it up. I sometimes wonder which way "progress" is taking
us.


You make it sound like the only thing that has changed with the move from
analogue TV to digital TV is that we've got a load of incompatibilies and no
gain. What about the number of TV channels that are available - 500 on Sky
alone, compared to 5 on analogue.


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"DAB sounds worse than FM" wrote in message
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JF wrote:
In message , Chas Gill
writes

and I found it to be offensive and out of place in this NG.

Of course you did! That was the whole point! My use of 'wog' was the
equivalent of tapping a ship's biscuit on the wardroom table to
dislodge weevils. They fall out of the biccy, thrashing and gnashing
and run screaming for their mummies in the pious hope that such
reactions convince a disbelieving world that they're not racist when,
of course, they are. We all are.


No, we are NOT all racist in terms of the commonly held meaning of the
word. You are, though.



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Prick

"Chas Gill" wrote in message
...

"DAB sounds worse than FM" wrote in message
...
JF wrote:
In message , Chas Gill
writes

and I found it to be offensive and out of place in this NG.

Of course you did! That was the whole point! My use of 'wog' was the
equivalent of tapping a ship's biscuit on the wardroom table to
dislodge weevils. They fall out of the biccy, thrashing and gnashing
and run screaming for their mummies in the pious hope that such
reactions convince a disbelieving world that they're not racist when,
of course, they are. We all are.


No, we are NOT all racist in terms of the commonly held meaning of the
word. You are, though.



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Prick




Having just re-read this part of the thread I can see my comment can be
ambiguously interpreted. What I intended was something along the lines
of: - "Yes, Steve, you are absolutely right. In my opinion the man is a
Prick as well as a racist."

Please accept my apologies if any other interpretation has caused even
temporary offence. Now I'll shut up before I get into even deeper doo-doo.

Chas

Chas Gill wrote:
"Chas Gill" wrote in message
...

"DAB sounds worse than FM" wrote in message
...
JF wrote:
In message , Chas Gill
writes

and I found it to be offensive and out of place in this NG.

Of course you did! That was the whole point! My use of 'wog' was
the equivalent of tapping a ship's biscuit on the wardroom table to
dislodge weevils. They fall out of the biccy, thrashing and
gnashing and run screaming for their mummies in the pious hope
that such reactions convince a disbelieving world that they're not
racist when, of course, they are. We all are.


No, we are NOT all racist in terms of the commonly held meaning of
the word. You are, though.



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Prick




Having just re-read this part of the thread I can see my comment can
be ambiguously interpreted. What I intended was something along the
lines of: - "Yes, Steve, you are absolutely right. In my opinion
the man is a Prick as well as a racist."

Please accept my apologies if any other interpretation has caused even
temporary offence. Now I'll shut up before I get into even deeper
doo-doo.


Apology accepted - you only narrowly avoided a large flamethrower coming
your way!


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