OT - All DAB receivers to be obsolete - DAB is dead

Luke Bosman wrote:
DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:

Luke Bosman wrote:
DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:

no_Spam" "(no_Spam)andywilkins wrote:
I think it will be a phased in change over a number of years, in
the same way the change from 405 to 625 line TV was undertaken.


I don't know how that change happened, but I agree it will be a
phased change depending on the proportion of receivers that can and
cannot receive the new standard.

As I recall, the BBC didn't turn off 405-line broadcasts. Instead,
they realised that they hadn't been transmitting due to a fault and
that no-one had complained. Consequently, they decided not to bother
with a repair.

Disclaimer: I'm going entirely on memory here, but I think this
would have been around the mid- to late-1980s, twenty or more years
after 625 line broadcasts had begun.


I know nothing about how they phased out 405-line TV, and nor do I
care about what happened in a time when the consumer electronics
industry was unrecognisingly backward in comparison to today.

What I guarantee - without having to be told that it will happen -
is that the BBC will be transmitting their radio stations using AAC+
within the course of a few years.

As an example of how quickly legacy receivers decrease in number,
according to Ofcom there were 1m ITV Digital set-top boxes in
October 2002 when Freeview launched. Just 3 years later there were
only 300,000 left in use. Now, they worked okay(ish), they could
receive all the channels okay, and yet people simply stopped using
them.

With DAB, we *will* see new stations launched using AAC+, because the
proportion of receivers that support AAC+ will make up the majority
very quickly - just 2 - 3 years' time. So, receivers with better
functionality, such as the EPG and record/playback to/from SD card,
will become more commonplace, and, far more importantly, new
stations will launch using AAC+ which only new receivers will be
able to receive, and MP2 will be phased out far, far sooner than you
seem to be laughably suggesting.

This is the 21st century, we change operating systems occasionally,
get with the times.

I meant no criticism of, nor comment on, any timescale. I stopped
using my ONdigital box because it died. My parents' old colour tv,
bought in 1967, still works.


Your last post, just like the post I'm replying to, imply something: the
last one implied that 405-line TV took years and years before it was
actually switched off - the implication was obviously that it will or might
happen that way on DAB. This last post you're doing it again, by saying that
your OnDigital box died, therefore trying to imply that likely many other
people's boxes did too, thus the rapid decline in the number of legacy
set-top boxes was partly to do with them dying, and not because people just
binned them because they bought better boxes.

You're basically looking for excuses for why DAB won't switch over to AAC+.
Face it, it will.

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"JF" wrote in message
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1hor7hb.12w5su819vq396N%gogogo.tilson.5.lukebosma , Luke
Bosman writes

As I recall, the BBC didn't turn off 405-line broadcasts. Instead, they
realised that they hadn't been transmitting due to a fault and that
no-one had complained. Consequently, they decided not to bother with a
repair.

Didn't they donate them to hospitals?

For treatment that warmed the tisses by radio. It used to cause
interference.

Bill

"DAB sounds worse than FM" wrote in message
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charles wrote:
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The issue is obviously the use of the word "wog".


Which of course means "Westernised Oriental Gentleman" - quite polite
really ;-)


Didn't know that. But I somehow don't think he was using it in quite so
polite a way as that.

He's pulling your tool. It means 'Wily Oriental Gentleman'.

Bill

On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 23:05:41 +0000 (GMT), charles
wrote:

Your memory is a bit faulty. Since there were over 100 transmitters
(including relays), the suggestion is a bit far of the mark although
something like that did happen in Lincolnshire whee a transmitter was sited
on top of a water tower which the owners wished to demolish. It was
deliberately turned off to see if anyone was watching. If no-one, a new
mast wouldn't have to be built for a 3 year life. No complaints.
Elsewhere the shutdown was planned thoroughly with captions superimposed at
times giving a countdown and advice to ring a special phone number.

I remember that when Kirk o'Shotts 405 tx was switched off, one
complaint was received. It was from somebody near Fort William - way
outside the service area.

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Steve Terry wrote:
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JF wrote:

As for quality, a whole generation have grown up who have never
seen a film in VistaVision, Todd-A0, or even Cinerama unless they
toddle along to some boring specialist museum wog-infested Bradford.

Did you really just say that?
Luke

I think he said what a lot just dare to think, the Ghetto of Bradford


"ghetto" is a perfectly fair word to use, but "wog-infested" is about as
overtly racist as you can get. So I'd hope that this lot of people that you
say he's speaking up for would not use that word.


is a prime example of this Govs failure in integration.


That's also perfectly legitimate.


Or is it as JFK said, "Ask not what your county can do for you, etc"
It takes those who want to integrate to do so.


The issue is obviously the use of the word "wog".


My old dad when he came back from trashing Rommell and his ilk, told me
it meant Worthy Oriental Gentleman dunno whether thats correct or
not
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Tony Sayer

In article , Alan White
writes
On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 23:05:41 +0000 (GMT), charles
wrote:

Your memory is a bit faulty. Since there were over 100 transmitters
(including relays), the suggestion is a bit far of the mark although
something like that did happen in Lincolnshire whee a transmitter was sited
on top of a water tower which the owners wished to demolish. It was
deliberately turned off to see if anyone was watching. If no-one, a new
mast wouldn't have to be built for a 3 year life. No complaints.
Elsewhere the shutdown was planned thoroughly with captions superimposed at
times giving a countdown and advice to ring a special phone number.

I remember that when Kirk o'Shotts 405 tx was switched off, one
complaint was received. It was from somebody near Fort William - way
outside the service area.


Ray Cooper relates to Sutton Coldfiled having its power much reduced for
somewhile and no one complaining from his excellent article
"Tales from a cold field" over on MB21.co.uk
--
Tony Sayer

In article , DAB sounds worse
than FM writes
Luke Bosman wrote:
DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:

no_Spam" "(no_Spam)andywilkins wrote:
I think it will be a phased in change over a number of years, in the
same way the change from 405 to 625 line TV was undertaken.


I don't know how that change happened, but I agree it will be a
phased change depending on the proportion of receivers that can and
cannot receive the new standard.

As I recall, the BBC didn't turn off 405-line broadcasts. Instead,
they realised that they hadn't been transmitting due to a fault and
that no-one had complained. Consequently, they decided not to bother
with a repair.

Disclaimer: I'm going entirely on memory here, but I think this would
have been around the mid- to late-1980s, twenty or more years after
625 line broadcasts had begun.


I know nothing about how they phased out 405-line TV, and nor do I care
about what happened in a time when the consumer electronics industry was
unrecognisingly backward in comparison to today.

Don't know why you think that Steve, it was OK as far as it could be
some of the silicon stuff obviously wasn't around but the overall
attitude was to make the quality better, rather then today's "lets see
how much we can throw away" before anyone objects and if they do its
all "market forces"..


What I guarantee - without having to be told that it will happen - is that
the BBC will be transmitting their radio stations using AAC+ within the
course of a few years.

As an example of how quickly legacy receivers decrease in number, according
to Ofcom there were 1m ITV Digital set-top boxes in October 2002 when
Freeview launched. Just 3 years later there were only 300,000 left in use.
Now, they worked okay(ish), they could receive all the channels okay, and
yet people simply stopped using them.

With DAB, we *will* see new stations launched using AAC+, because the
proportion of receivers that support AAC+ will make up the majority very
quickly - just 2 - 3 years' time. So, receivers with better functionality,
such as the EPG and record/playback to/from SD card, will become more
commonplace, and, far more importantly, new stations will launch using AAC+
which only new receivers will be able to receive, and MP2 will be phased out
far, far sooner than you seem to be laughably suggesting.

This is the 21st century, we change operating systems occasionally, get with
the times.



--
Tony Sayer

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
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"DAB sounds worse than FM" wrote in message
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charles wrote:
In article ,

[Snip]

The issue is obviously the use of the word "wog".


Which of course means "Westernised Oriental Gentleman" - quite polite
really ;-)


Didn't know that. But I somehow don't think he was using it in quite so
polite a way as that.

He's pulling your tool. It means 'Wily Oriental Gentleman'.

Bill

So, since when has Bradford been "infested" with Chinese people? I always
understood the acronym to be "Western Oriental Gentleman", which, broadly
speaking, encompasses most ethnic groups around the Indian sub-continent,
although I believe the term has also been used to describe those of Arab
descent.

Regardless of all of this, the way in which it was used by the OP in
conjunction with the word infested
was clearly intended to be insulting and derogatory - and probably gutless.
I doubt if the OP would have the nerve to exercise this particular bit of
free speech in Bradford on a Saturday night (or most other places, come to
that)
and I found it to be offensive and out of place in this NG.

Chas

"tony sayer" wrote...
DAB sounds worse than FM writes

The issue is obviously the use of the word "wog".

My old dad when he came back from trashing Rommell and his ilk, told
me it meant Worthy Oriental Gentleman dunno whether thats correct
or not

That and similar 'derivations' are regarded as apocryphal. Look it up
in wikipedia.

The use of such terms can be dangerous -- if you want to start the
process of cleansing a group of people, first find a suitable pejorative
term for them. The term was heard most recently on BBC4's programme on
the Suez Crisis, when an erstwhile squaddie said "To us they were all
wogs -- we didn't really consider them to be human."

Matti

Matti Lamprhey wrote:
"tony sayer" wrote...
DAB sounds worse than FM writes

The issue is obviously the use of the word "wog".

My old dad when he came back from trashing Rommell and his ilk, told
me it meant Worthy Oriental Gentleman dunno whether thats correct
or not

That and similar 'derivations' are regarded as apocryphal. Look it up
in wikipedia.

The use of such terms can be dangerous -- if you want to start the
process of cleansing a group of people, first find a suitable
pejorative term for them. The term was heard most recently on BBC4's
programme on the Suez Crisis, when an erstwhile squaddie said "To us
they were all wogs -- we didn't really consider them to be human."

Indeed. All these folk etymologies are irrelevant. What matters with a
word - any word - is what it means, and how it is used. We all know exactly
what Follett meant.