OT - All DAB receivers to be obsolete - DAB is dead

DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:

no_Spam" "(no_Spam)andywilkins wrote:
I think it will be a phased in change over a number of years, in the
same way the change from 405 to 625 line TV was undertaken.


I don't know how that change happened, but I agree it will be a phased
change depending on the proportion of receivers that can and cannot receive
the new standard.

As I recall, the BBC didn't turn off 405-line broadcasts. Instead, they
realised that they hadn't been transmitting due to a fault and that
no-one had complained. Consequently, they decided not to bother with a
repair.

Disclaimer: I'm going entirely on memory here, but I think this would
have been around the mid- to late-1980s, twenty or more years after 625
line broadcasts had begun.

Cheers,
Luke


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"Luke Bosman" wrote in message
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JF wrote:

As for quality, a whole generation have grown up who have never seen a
film in VistaVision, Todd-A0, or even Cinerama unless they toddle along
to some boring specialist museum wog-infested Bradford.

Did you really just say that?
Luke

I think he said what a lot just dare to think, the Ghetto of Bradford is a
prime example of this Govs failure in integration.

Or is it as JFK said, "Ask not what your county can do for you, etc"
It takes those who want to integrate to do so.

When Labour came to power in 1997 the EU recognised 3 towns in the UK
as meeting their definition of Ghetto, it's now 9 towns and rising.

Steve Terry

Steve Terry wrote:
"Luke Bosman" wrote in
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JF wrote:

As for quality, a whole generation have grown up who have never
seen a film in VistaVision, Todd-A0, or even Cinerama unless they
toddle along to some boring specialist museum wog-infested Bradford.

Did you really just say that?
Luke

I think he said what a lot just dare to think, the Ghetto of Bradford


"ghetto" is a perfectly fair word to use, but "wog-infested" is about as
overtly racist as you can get. So I'd hope that this lot of people that you
say he's speaking up for would not use that word.


is a prime example of this Govs failure in integration.


That's also perfectly legitimate.


Or is it as JFK said, "Ask not what your county can do for you, etc"
It takes those who want to integrate to do so.


The issue is obviously the use of the word "wog".


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1hor7hb.12w5su819vq396N%gogogo.tilson.5.lukebosma ,
Luke Bosman writes

As I recall, the BBC didn't turn off 405-line broadcasts. Instead, they
realised that they hadn't been transmitting due to a fault and that
no-one had complained. Consequently, they decided not to bother with a
repair.

Didn't they donate them to hospitals?

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1hor7hb.12w5su819vq396N%gogogo.tilson.5.lukebosma ,
Luke Bosman wrote:
DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:

no_Spam" "(no_Spam)andywilkins wrote:
I think it will be a phased in change over a number of years, in the
same way the change from 405 to 625 line TV was undertaken.


I don't know how that change happened, but I agree it will be a phased
change depending on the proportion of receivers that can and cannot
receive the new standard.

As I recall, the BBC didn't turn off 405-line broadcasts. Instead, they
realised that they hadn't been transmitting due to a fault and that
no-one had complained. Consequently, they decided not to bother with a
repair.

Disclaimer: I'm going entirely on memory here,

Your memory is a bit faulty. Since there were over 100 transmitters
(including relays), the suggestion is a bit far of the mark although
something like that did happen in Lincolnshire whee a transmitter was sited
on top of a water tower which the owners wished to demolish. It was
deliberately turned off to see if anyone was watching. If no-one, a new
mast wouldn't have to be built for a 3 year life. No complaints.
Elsewhere the shutdown was planned thoroughly with captions superimposed at
times giving a countdown and advice to ring a special phone number.

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[Snip]

The issue is obviously the use of the word "wog".


Which of course means "Westernised Oriental Gentleman" - quite polite
really ;-)

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Luke Bosman wrote:
DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:

no_Spam" "(no_Spam)andywilkins wrote:
I think it will be a phased in change over a number of years, in the
same way the change from 405 to 625 line TV was undertaken.


I don't know how that change happened, but I agree it will be a
phased change depending on the proportion of receivers that can and
cannot receive the new standard.

As I recall, the BBC didn't turn off 405-line broadcasts. Instead,
they realised that they hadn't been transmitting due to a fault and
that no-one had complained. Consequently, they decided not to bother
with a repair.

Disclaimer: I'm going entirely on memory here, but I think this would
have been around the mid- to late-1980s, twenty or more years after
625 line broadcasts had begun.


I know nothing about how they phased out 405-line TV, and nor do I care
about what happened in a time when the consumer electronics industry was
unrecognisingly backward in comparison to today.

What I guarantee - without having to be told that it will happen - is that
the BBC will be transmitting their radio stations using AAC+ within the
course of a few years.

As an example of how quickly legacy receivers decrease in number, according
to Ofcom there were 1m ITV Digital set-top boxes in October 2002 when
Freeview launched. Just 3 years later there were only 300,000 left in use.
Now, they worked okay(ish), they could receive all the channels okay, and
yet people simply stopped using them.

With DAB, we *will* see new stations launched using AAC+, because the
proportion of receivers that support AAC+ will make up the majority very
quickly - just 2 - 3 years' time. So, receivers with better functionality,
such as the EPG and record/playback to/from SD card, will become more
commonplace, and, far more importantly, new stations will launch using AAC+
which only new receivers will be able to receive, and MP2 will be phased out
far, far sooner than you seem to be laughably suggesting.

This is the 21st century, we change operating systems occasionally, get with
the times.


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charles wrote:
In article ,

[Snip]

The issue is obviously the use of the word "wog".


Which of course means "Westernised Oriental Gentleman" - quite polite
really ;-)


Didn't know that. But I somehow don't think he was using it in quite so
polite a way as that.


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JF wrote:
As for quality, a whole generation have grown up who have never seen a
film in VistaVision, Todd-A0, or even Cinerama unless they toddle
along to some boring specialist museum wog-infested Bradford. Today's
gum-chomping, slack-brained movie theatre audiences often accept
grotty 16mm prints shown through lossy periscope systems in so-called
multi screen theatres.

So hard to find a decent screening of "Triumph des Willens" these days,
isn't it?

DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:

Luke Bosman wrote:
DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:

no_Spam" "(no_Spam)andywilkins wrote:
I think it will be a phased in change over a number of years, in the
same way the change from 405 to 625 line TV was undertaken.


I don't know how that change happened, but I agree it will be a
phased change depending on the proportion of receivers that can and
cannot receive the new standard.

As I recall, the BBC didn't turn off 405-line broadcasts. Instead,
they realised that they hadn't been transmitting due to a fault and
that no-one had complained. Consequently, they decided not to bother
with a repair.

Disclaimer: I'm going entirely on memory here, but I think this would
have been around the mid- to late-1980s, twenty or more years after
625 line broadcasts had begun.


I know nothing about how they phased out 405-line TV, and nor do I care
about what happened in a time when the consumer electronics industry was
unrecognisingly backward in comparison to today.

What I guarantee - without having to be told that it will happen - is that
the BBC will be transmitting their radio stations using AAC+ within the
course of a few years.

As an example of how quickly legacy receivers decrease in number, according
to Ofcom there were 1m ITV Digital set-top boxes in October 2002 when
Freeview launched. Just 3 years later there were only 300,000 left in use.
Now, they worked okay(ish), they could receive all the channels okay, and
yet people simply stopped using them.

With DAB, we *will* see new stations launched using AAC+, because the
proportion of receivers that support AAC+ will make up the majority very
quickly - just 2 - 3 years' time. So, receivers with better functionality,
such as the EPG and record/playback to/from SD card, will become more
commonplace, and, far more importantly, new stations will launch using AAC+
which only new receivers will be able to receive, and MP2 will be phased out
far, far sooner than you seem to be laughably suggesting.

This is the 21st century, we change operating systems occasionally, get with
the times.

I meant no criticism of, nor comment on, any timescale. I stopped using
my ONdigital box because it died. My parents' old colour tv, bought in
1967, still works.

Cheers,
Luke


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