OT - All DAB receivers to be obsolete - DAB is dead

On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 22:25:40 +0000 (UTC), Dominic
wrote:

FM reception here (even with a loft aerial) is poor, never fully quietening.

You write as though a loft aerial is the ultimate in reception technology.
It isn't, so why are you surprised it doesn't work very well?

If you're not paranoid about mpeg audio compression artifacts, the sound
on DAB is better than on FM.

Why? Are you paranoid about hiss?

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Roderick Stewart wrote:
VHS was made by a number of manufacturers, but Betamax was
available from only one.

VHS machines may have had different badges, but all came from the same
maker - Panasonic, the parent company. At the start.

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Roderick Stewart wrote:
VHS was made by a number of manufacturers, but Betamax was
available from only one.

VHS machines may have had different badges, but all came from the same
maker - Panasonic, the parent company. At the start.

VHS was a JVC designed system, nothing AFAIK to do with Panasonic (aka
Matsu****a). The Ferguson/Thorn machines which I think you're thinking of
were badged JVCs.

BTW there was one manufacturer that backed Betamax; Sanyo.


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In article , Roderick
Stewart writes
On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 13:07:44 +0000 (GMT), charles
wrote:

It's interesting that they've gone for the one that
will require the public to spend more money, instead of simply
reducing the number of stations and increasing the bandwidth available
to each, or in other words curtailing what they are trying to do to
fit the resources available to do it, which would cost the
broadcasters less and the public nothing.

In other words, a complete reversal of the "public service" ethos that used
to exist.

The public service ethos that used to exist aimed to provide broadcast
signals to the highest quality that could be consistently maintained
using the resources available, giving the listener the choice of
listening quality depending on what sort of equipment they bought. In
other words, radio to serve everybody and not just to maximise
advertising revenue from the most lucrative majority. I'm not sure
what you mean by a "reversal", but I'd like to see a *return* to the
public service ethos that used to exist.

Rod.

If you get the chance listen on Satellite to what State broadcasters
from France and Germany manage, then you'll hear digital radio as it
ought be)

And very good it is too!...

No comparison to the cack that is UK terrestrial based DAB...
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DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
I believe the marketing was better for VHS, which is very important, and
there were more films you could hire for VHS, which is also very important.

As I understood it it was down to the availability of pornography. Rather
fitting that that's the basis of the standards you were forced to accept. ;-)

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"DAB sounds worse than FM" wrote:

Believe me, you can't miss it if you're afflicted by it, and it's miles,
miles more annoying than FM hiss. If you've got a DAB portable radio just
put the aerial down, that should produce the bubbling mud sound. You're a
reception man, so I don't need to tell you how to degrade the reception
quality.


Oh! I see, now it all makes sense. So you're saying an FM receiver with
a properly installed aerial sounds better than a DAB receiver with a
signal too low to work properly? Fair enough, it would. Bit of a
strange point, isn't it?

Before you call me a fool, I do agree with you that on the whole
the bitrates are too low on DAB. But I tend to listen to radio 4,
which often has a wide range of volume where the quieter parts
get lost in the hiss of radio 4 FM (unless I switch to mono)
which doesn't happen on 128kbit stereo DAB.

An up-to-date audio codec is long overdue so we can
lose the mpeg audio compression artifacts which I can
hear (especially on 64kbit channels) but choose to ignore.

I can't ignore the visual compression artifacts on freeview and low
bitrate satellite channels though. Decent analogue is better there!
Do skyhd and the bbc hd trials use mpeg4 or similar video codecs?

dom.

"DAB sounds worse than FM" wrote:

Now, if you only listen on a small mono portable radio, then, erm, don't
even bother to put your view forward, because you're listening on a small
mono portable radio.


I do have a small mono portable radio (ha, it's DAB, it aint *that* small)...
actually it's stereo, but of course the speakers are so close together
that you'd never know... I also have a 'Hi Fi' seperates DAB receiver, CD
player, and amp. Cheap, and the speakers are crap. Still better than
FM stereo for radio 4, which is what I use it for.

Just tried KERRANG! on the DAB. It's 80kbit mono. Ignoring the
fact that I get a crap signal from Switch London here, oh boy, it sounds
really awful. Nasty muffled mpeg artifacts galore.

Lucky I don't *listen* to music very much. There is certainly a difference
between the 128kbit channels and the 160kbit ones. Couldn't find
anything better.

Change your sig to "DAB sounds worse than FM *on music channels at
at less than 192kbit/s*" and then I'll agree with you. :-P

dom.

p.s. Anyone tried one of the pc software based DRM radios? Keep
meaning to put a receiver together and try it.

"Mark Carver" wrote in message
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Roderick Stewart wrote:
VHS was made by a number of manufacturers, but Betamax was
available from only one.

BTW there was one manufacturer that backed Betamax; Sanyo.

and Sony as it was their system

Steve Terry

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Mark Carver wrote:
VHS machines may have had different badges, but all came from the same
maker - Panasonic, the parent company. At the start.

VHS was a JVC designed system, nothing AFAIK to do with Panasonic (aka
Matsu****a).

JVC was taken over by Matsu****a in 1953 - they are the majority
shareholder.

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JF wrote:
lite stations.

I've got a TV which trumpets about being High Definition TV ready.
Sadly, it's not. If I want to receive the BBC's HD service, I have to go
wallet in hand to BSkyB and buy their kit which costs GBP299.

Err, no you don't. Any 'proper' HD D-Sat receiver will do. Pace DS810 for
instance.


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