More Labour stupidity....

"harrogate3" wrote in message
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Like many another good cause, genuine core environmental issues have
been
hijacked by individuals, companies, and governments with ulterior
(usually
financial) motives). So excuse me if I say '********!' and ignore
their
demands. I've been around too long to be taken in by these
tricksters.

Bill




Honours Degree in cynicism eh Bill? You and me alike Brother!

It's a pity the kids have to learn all this for themselves, cos it can take
a lifetime. Meanwhile they get sucked in by all the ******** that the media
and governments hurl at them.

Bill

Bruce Stewart wrote:


I am glad Samsung makes a Hdtv that uses a tube, not that my next T.V is
going to be HD.

If you wait much longer, you won't be able to get a 28" CRT.


That is the problem, but the point is my T.v is working fine and I
expect it to be for another 5 years at least, but I don't want an LCD
T.V, because I think they are rubbish, but I can't see the point in
buying another T.v now just so I can get a CRT one, I have no interest
in HDTV.

Pyriform wrote:
soup wrote:
Pyriform wrote:

And no doubt all the flaws of CRT such as poor geometry, poor EHT
regulation resulting in picture size fluctuations, convergence
problems, loss of focus at the corners etc etc.
We have a BEKO 28" (i.e. not a cutting edge set ) in the living room
and various wee tellys upstairs 1 in the main bedroom and one each in
the boy's rooms (so 4 CRTs in all) none of them have any of those
problems that I can see.

I'd be astonished if they had no geometry or screen regulation problems.
They might not bother you, but they'll be there. I still use a (very good)
CRT for my TV viewing, but I would never claim that it gives a perfect
picture. CRTs have a different set of flaws to competing technologies.

The HD CRT being advocated in the earlier post is I suspect one of the new
slim designs. These require the electron beams to be deflected through
extreme angles, making all of CRTs inherent flaws even more problematic.



Most of the CRT flaws you can put up with if they are only slight, I had
to adjust my set because it was awful when I had it, but it is great
now. My mate have a old Philips, and the quality is fantastic and until
the last six months did not have any flaws that was noticeable, but now
I do notice that when a menu from the Freeview or Sky box is displayed
the display seem to bend a bit. Oh and the remote sensor seemed to have
gone belly up on it.

"Pyriform" wrote in message
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soup wrote:
Pyriform wrote:

And no doubt all the flaws of CRT such as poor geometry, poor EHT
regulation resulting in picture size fluctuations, convergence
problems, loss of focus at the corners etc etc.

We have a BEKO 28" (i.e. not a cutting edge set ) in the living room
and various wee tellys upstairs 1 in the main bedroom and one each in
the boy's rooms (so 4 CRTs in all) none of them have any of those
problems that I can see.

I'd be astonished if they had no geometry or screen regulation problems.
They might not bother you, but they'll be there.

Bingo. You hit the nail on the head with "they might not bother you". Ya
see, normal people.....unlike yourself who is obviously an enthusiast,
simply don't see such things. I'm no enthusiast, and I look at plasmas,
LCD's, of all makes, standards and brands....I'm obviously talking standard
def here, and have never yet saw a picture and specifically the colour
reproduction of my ten year old Sony Trinitron. I and many other people
still see *ALL* flat panels as what they are, convenience over quality.
There are gamers that still lug round CRT's to LAN parties......and it is
not JUST to do with response time....another poor quality of LCD. Sooner or
later they'll bring the technology up to scratch, of course, but I still
can't help see CRT as superior.

Your talk of "geometry screen regulation problems" reminds me of the people
I collectively call "golden ears".... that you see in Richer Sounds
discussing the finer points of ruddy speaker cables. "Yes, this one has
rich, bright tones and a splendidly dull yet crisp bass". LOL. Perhaps god
didn't bless me with the ears and eyes that you elitists have.

"soup" wrote in message
.uk...
Pyriform wrote:


I'd be astonished if they had no geometry or screen regulation problems.
They might not bother you, but they'll be there. I still use a (very
good) CRT for my TV viewing, but I would never claim that it gives a
perfect picture.

That's why I have said "that I can see" and after all isn't that what
matters what the viewer perceives rather than what some test says?


Well of course. Good to see some people still have their feet in the Common
Sense camp.

"Andrew" wrote in message
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:48:57 GMT, "Slitheen"
wrote:

Anyone wanting to get a CRT would be very wise to get one of the Samsung
HD
Ready ones mentioned earlier in this thread. They're bloody cheap compared
to LCD and Plasma, take a HD signal and have all the benefits of CRT such
as
much better colour reproduction.

What the ones mentioned earlier as being crap? Good advice.
--

Exactly where in this thread are they mentioned as being crap??? And IF
you're right, what makes the opinion of the person that wrote it any more
worthy than my own? Dickhead!

"Staiger" wrote in message
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There are a couple of questionable assertions here...

They [CRT TVs] can be switched off...

So can any other type of TV. And in common with LCDs and Plasma TVs, CRT
TVs have a standby mode (at least, those with an IR remote control do).

Not only that you don't risk
having a channel logo "burnt" onto your screen after viewing the same
channel over a period of time

Yes you do. CRTs are prone to phosphor burn, although colour TVs are
nowhere near as bad as the old monochrome ones.

Thack


I'm 35, watched TV all my life and have owned many CRT's....I have never had
this problem with any of them. I have owned 3 LCD monitors and it has
happened twice. Case closed.

Slitheen wrote:
"soup" wrote in message
.uk...
Pyriform wrote:


I'd be astonished if they had no geometry or screen regulation
problems. They might not bother you, but they'll be there. I still
use a (very good) CRT for my TV viewing, but I would never claim
that it gives a perfect picture.

That's why I have said "that I can see" and after all isn't that what
matters what the viewer perceives rather than what some test says?


Well of course. Good to see some people still have their feet in the
Common Sense camp.

It's not about tests. Most CRTs have fairly obvious geometry issues, which
most people will notice on certain types of image. The reason they aren't
usually annoying is that this type of image does not constitute the majority
of our viewing. The distortions are still there, but the human brain is
rather good at compensating for them, most of the time.

Slitheen wrote:
Your talk of "geometry screen regulation problems" reminds me of the
people I collectively call "golden ears".... that you see in Richer
Sounds discussing the finer points of ruddy speaker cables. "Yes,
this one has rich, bright tones and a splendidly dull yet crisp
bass". LOL. Perhaps god didn't bless me with the ears and eyes that
you elitists have.

The difference is that geometry and screen regulation are real problems with
CRTs that can be measured objectively *and* observed by anyone with normal
vision, given appropriate source material. As I said, I use a CRT which I
regard as having an excellent picture, but it is not immune from these
flaws. Fortunately, they are not extreme, and the type of material that
reveals them does not make up the bulk of my viewing, so they are
acceptable. But they are there.

Exotic speaker cables, on the other hand, have no measurable superiority
over ordinary wire of adequate gauge, and any claimed subjective differences
disappear when tested under double-blind ABX conditions. So I don't believe
in them, just as I don't believe in a God who might be capable of blessing
you with anything at all.

In article ,
Pyriform wrote:
Well of course. Good to see some people still have their feet in the
Common Sense camp.

It's not about tests. Most CRTs have fairly obvious geometry issues,
which most people will notice on certain types of image.

And widescreen types will be worse than 4:3 ones. Registration errors too.

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