SKY+

On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 09:35:32 +0200, Jomtien wrote:

You have this back to front.

Most people taking Sky+ are already die-hard full-package Sky
subscribers who would have Sky anyway

Hmm, you may have a point there.

I don't know.
You can say that again.

I will accept no lectures from someone who states that you can record
from HDCP sources and that DVD recording is "not possible".

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On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 09:35:32 +0200, Jomtien wrote:

Who doesn't have the choice?
Those who don't live in a Freeview area yet wish to make bitstream
recordings of the main terrestrial channels.
So maybe those people could wait a few years?
Why should they have to?

Why SHOULDN'T they have to?

Given that the same technology is available on DTT I see no reason why
those using satellite should have to pay Sky to make such recordings
when on DTT they can perform an identical procedure for free.

If the same technology is available on DTT for free, then they can use
that, then, can't they.
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Zero Tolerance wrote:

Actually HDMI allows you to make your own bitstream recordings for
playback on your own equipment.

Are you quite sure about that?

Yes.

Though of course I should have said HDCP and not HDMI.

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Zero Tolerance wrote:

Only Sky+ charges for this, and the charge is unjustified as the
entire functionality is contained within the box at the time of
purchase.

In your opinion.

No opinion involved at all. Simple and undeniable fact.


And like I said, what if the software to enable user recording was NOT
in the box as sold, and was only downloaded when you paid for the Sky+
service? Would that be different?

It would to a small extent.

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Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
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UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
BBC/ITV reception trouble? ; http://www.astra2d.com/
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Alex wrote:

The same does not apply because you are comparing generic with
specific. "You can buy orange juice anywhere, the same does not
apply to Tesco Premium Ginger Beer."

This is precisely the problem. Sky+ is a monopoly product that no one
else makes, because Sky prevent them from doing so.

Sky prevent anyone else broadcasting over satellite? Will these
newsflashes never end?

It has been explained to you numerous times that without a VideoGuard
CAM one cannot receive the FTV UK transmissions. Sky refuse to release
such a CAM, which makes the Sky+ a monopoly product.

Of course the same applies in spades to the pay Sky channels, but
these are not my concern.

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Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/8vef5
UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
BBC/ITV reception trouble? ; http://www.astra2d.com/
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No monies return'd. ;-)

Zero Tolerance wrote:

Granted. But decent equipment gets you a perfectly acceptable
recording over scart

No, it doesn't.

Yes it does. 99.99% of people would be unable to tell the difference.

Total nonsense.

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The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/8vef5
UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
BBC/ITV reception trouble? ; http://www.astra2d.com/
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Only the truth as I see it.
No monies return'd. ;-)

Zero Tolerance wrote:

I don't know.
You can say that again.

I will accept no lectures from someone who states that you can record
from HDCP sources

You should, as I know exactly what I am talking about. HDCP is
designed specifically with the ability to allow users to make
bitstream recordings on their own equipment but not to be able to
share them.

HDCP has been cracked already, anyway.


and that DVD recording is "not possible".

This is an incomplete quote and I treat it with the contempt that it
deserves.

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Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/8vef5
UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
BBC/ITV reception trouble? ; http://www.astra2d.com/
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Only the truth as I see it.
No monies return'd. ;-)

On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 07:50:14 +0200, Jomtien wrote:

Zero Tolerance wrote:
Are you quite sure about that?

Yes.

Though of course I should have said HDCP and not HDMI.

OK.. Can you point towards any source of equipment which allows you to
make your own recordings of HDCP material?

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On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 07:50:14 +0200, Jomtien wrote:

No opinion involved at all. Simple and undeniable fact.

Sorry, "justified" and "unjustified" are matters of opinion.

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On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 07:50:15 +0200, Jomtien wrote:

Zero Tolerance wrote:
Yes it does. 99.99% of people would be unable to tell the difference.

Total nonsense.

Simple unbreakable truth. Your turn.

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