SKY+

Alex wrote:

Payment to anyone in order to record FTA or FTV channels CANNOT be
justified under any circumstances.

It can as long as you have the option to choose to pay it or not.

And has been explained, many do not have the choice when it comes to
C4 and C5.

And, as has been explained but you seem unable to comprehend, those
people have the choice of using many other methods to record a very
acceptable copy over the scart.

That is not good enough.

There is no reason why anyone should have to pay Sky in order to
record non-Sky channels on a box they have bought outright.

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Alex wrote:

The NHS postcode lottery is much more deserving of this debate than
Sky+ subscription fees.

No, because the postcode lottery is indeed a lottery.

The same is not true of the Sky+. Quite the opposite in fact.

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UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
BBC/ITV reception trouble? ; http://www.astra2d.com/
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Alex wrote:

It is if you have no choice.

Who doesn't have the choice?

Those who don't live in a Freeview area yet wish to make bitstream
recordings of the main terrestrial channels.


If Microsoft started charging monthly fees and if I could only buy PCs
with Windows on then I would complain just as loudly as I do about the
Sky+.

But you can buy any other device to record quite freely from your Sky
box so that analogy is flawed.

No, because it works in a totally different way.


As it is, I have a wide choice of PCs and OSs which can all perform
identical functions. The same is not true of the Sky+ because it is a
monopoly.

Nonsense. If you couldn't record *at all* from the Sky box then you
may have a point.

No, you miss the point.

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Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/8vef5
UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
BBC/ITV reception trouble? ; http://www.astra2d.com/
----
Only the truth as I see it.
No monies return'd. ;-)

Zero Tolerance wrote:

The other option is to wait. The overwhelming majority of that 25% will,
within 6 years or so, get DTT and be able to use whatever recording
technology is available by then.

By which time Sky+ will almost certainly be free for everyone anyway.

But how will the much-vaunted substantial costs of Sky+ service
provision be met if they don't charge for it?

What you are saying is that there is no service and hence no need for
a charge.

--
Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/8vef5
UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
BBC/ITV reception trouble? ; http://www.astra2d.com/
----
Only the truth as I see it.
No monies return'd. ;-)

Alex wrote:

As has already been pointed out, many cannot receive the mainstream
terrestrial channels without a Sky box.

What's that got to do with Sky+?

For those people it is not possible to make a bitstream recording
(such as one might do for free with a DDT recorder or an FTA sat PVR)
without a Sky+.

--
Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/8vef5
UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
BBC/ITV reception trouble? ; http://www.astra2d.com/
----
Only the truth as I see it.
No monies return'd. ;-)

Zero Tolerance wrote:

Well if the only choice of receiving them is Sky, then the only choice of
recording them is Sky+ if you wish to remain in the digital domain.

Other digital recorders are available. DVD recorders are digital..

If you choose to forget the double decoding-encoding procedure
involved, yes.

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Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/8vef5
UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
BBC/ITV reception trouble? ; http://www.astra2d.com/
----
Only the truth as I see it.
No monies return'd. ;-)

Alex wrote:

And if they want to make a decent
recording they have to pay Sky a monthly fee.

This bit is nonsense. I have made numerous decent recordings onto DVD
via the scart.

No, that isn't possible.

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Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/8vef5
UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
BBC/ITV reception trouble? ; http://www.astra2d.com/
----
Only the truth as I see it.
No monies return'd. ;-)

"loz" wrote in message
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"Zero Tolerance" wrote in message
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Why should I be excluded from recording digitally?

Why should I be excluded from broadband greater than 1Mb?

Why should I be excluded from Faberge eggs? Why, if the people only
knew, there would be an outcry.

The government has decreed that we will all transition to Digital TV.

I am not aware that Tony Blair, nor his replacement, has decreed we should
all have Faberge eggs.



How else do you think the tories plan to win the next election?...

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On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 08:14:36 +0200, Jomtien wrote:

Alex wrote:
And, as has been explained but you seem unable to comprehend, those
people have the choice of using many other methods to record a very
acceptable copy over the scart.

That is not good enough.

Don't be ridiculous.

There is no reason why anyone should have to pay Sky in order to
record non-Sky channels on a box they have bought outright.

And indeed there is no reason. Many other recording options are
available. The only reason to pay Sky is if you choose to.

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On Sat, 9 Sep 2006 23:22:03 +0100, "loz"
wrote:

"Zero Tolerance" wrote in message
Do VCRs record a digital signal then?
More than adequately, yes.

They do not record a digital signal at all. They record an analog one.
They only accept an analog input, and only record it in analog.

Does your television display a digital signal? Oh no it doesn't, it
only displays an analogue one. It only accepts an analogue input, and
it only displays it in analogue.

The original point stands - there are plenty of ways to record digital
TV without using Sky+, if the fee upsets you that much.

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