SKY+

"Zero Tolerance" wrote in message
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On Sun, 3 Sep 2006 23:12:05 +0100, "loz"
wrote:

You keep saying Tivo. Why? No one can buy one.

New TiVos are quite easily available if you know where to look. The
point is that you asked for a UK PVR which charged for recording. You
didn't say anything about having to be able to find it in Dixons.

New Tivo's suitable for use in the UK are "easily available"?
Where?

Loz

"Zero Tolerance" wrote in message
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On Sun, 3 Sep 2006 23:08:11 +0100, "loz"
wrote:

Thats why DTT PVRs are so much more expensive than Sky+ boxes then? Not...

The two are not really comparable in terms of technology and the
features which could be offered. Sky have been slack on delivering the
full range of features that Sky+ could provide, which would leave DTT
PVRs standing.

what's "could" got to do with it?

DTT PVRs "could" make tea and wash the dishes.

Let's stick to comparing what they *do* do, not what they could

Loz

"Zero Tolerance" wrote in message
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On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 08:45:21 +0200, Jomtien wrote:

But there is no reason why they should also have to pay extra
to use it.

Continually re-stating your opinion over and over again is not really
the way to convince people of the merit of your argument.

Nor is your continually re-stating your opinion over and over again is not
really the way to convince people of the merit of your argument either

Loz

"loz" wrote in message
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So how does Sky justify it?

Which bit of Sky does not need to justify it do you not understand? It is
not like Sky+ is on the edge of collapsing due to lack of customers is it?
Even Which Magazine has given Sky+ a "best buy" rating.

Bottom line is go figure why some many users "disagree" with you? I take it
you don't have Sky+, so what are you taking such effort to state your
dislike of the service (or lack of service as you put it)?

"Clueless2" [email protected] wrote in message
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So how does Sky justify it?

Which bit of Sky does not need to justify it do you not understand? It is
not like Sky+ is on the edge of collapsing due to lack of customers is it?

No. But they had to drop the sub to premium customers.
And I cannot imagine the number of Sky+ boxes is anywhere near the number of
other recorders that customers are choosing to use in preference to Sky+.
The monthly charge is one of the reasons why - most certainly for people who
don't subscribe to premium channels.

Even Which Magazine has given Sky+ a "best buy" rating.

Oh yeh, like they are so independent...

Bottom line is go figure why some many users "disagree" with you? I take
it you don't have Sky+, so what are you taking such effort to state your
dislike of the service (or lack of service as you put it)?

You clearly didn't read my earlier post.
"PS - note that I do have Sky+ and have the premium channels so I don't pay
for the Service.
I am not "anti sky", I am just facinated why people keep trying to justify
the Sky+ subscription and other aspects of their service.
Personally, I would rather there were better options but I simply recognise
that "that's the way it is", and currently choose to take it rather than
leave it."

FYI, I also have Sky HD. Personally I don't think Sky can justify the
monthly HD sub either.
But again I accept I have to pay it to receive the channels. I don't like
it, but again thats the way it is.

Loz

Zero Tolerance wrote:

Thats why DTT PVRs are so much more expensive than Sky+ boxes then? Not...

The two are not really comparable in terms of technology and the
features which could be offered. Sky have been slack on delivering the
full range of features that Sky+ could provide, which would leave DTT
PVRs standing.

It's hard to imagine quite what else the Sky+ could do that wouldn't
infringe on Tivo patents. Indeed it would seem that what the Sky+ does
now may already infringe on Tivo patents.

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Zero Tolerance wrote:

Right. So what? Being able to record is an service provided by Sky.

No, it isn't. It is a function of the box as purchased.

No it is not. The box as purchased does not record without a
subscription.

No, the box as purchased contains everything needed to record. Sky
deliberately prevent it from doing so, and they charge you to stop
preventing it.


Would you be so happy to pay Philips every time you want to use your
VCR or washing machine?

If they are sold on that basis and someone chooses to accept that,
then why not?

Because it is wrong.

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Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/8vef5
UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
BBC/ITV reception trouble? ; http://www.astra2d.com/
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Only the truth as I see it.
No monies return'd. ;-)

Zero Tolerance wrote:

But there is no reason why they should also have to pay extra
to use it.

Continually re-stating your opinion over and over again is not really
the way to convince people of the merit of your argument.

This is not an opinion it is a simple fact.

In order for a fee to be valid and acceptable there must be some
measure of service provision. The Sky+ fee has no measure of service
provision at all. It is a rip-off born from a monopoly. Pure and
simple.

--
Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/8vef5
UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
BBC/ITV reception trouble? ; http://www.astra2d.com/
----
Only the truth as I see it.
No monies return'd. ;-)

Zero Tolerance wrote:

There is no service involved, and more than there is with any
recording device. Which part of this don't you understand?

Excuse me for jumping in, but they clearly UNDERSTAND things quite
well. The difference is that they do not AGREE with your OPINION of
how things are.

No, they don't understand at all. This is the problem.

Just like some people keep saying that a Tivo won't record without
payment. They are wrong and that's all there is to it.

The only recording device available for purchase in the UK that
requires an extra payment in order to record is the Sky+. Surely the
most dim-witted person could see that this is bizarre?

I suppose it's a case of "look at our Johnny, he's the only one in the
band who is marching in step".

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Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/8vef5
UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
BBC/ITV reception trouble? ; http://www.astra2d.com/
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Only the truth as I see it.
No monies return'd. ;-)

On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 08:52:19 +0200, Jomtien wrote:

No, the box as purchased contains everything needed to record. Sky
deliberately prevent it from doing so, and they charge you to stop
preventing it.

The box as purchased contains a hard disc which the Sky+ system may
use for its own internal purposes. If you wish to happen to want to
use that hard disc for YOUR own purposes, there is a charge. And you
buy (or choose not to buy) the Sky+ hardware in the full knowledge of
this. What's the problem?

Because it is wrong.

In your opinion.

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