VOOM Free HD Offer

Vidguy7 ) wrote in alt.tv.tech.hdtv:
Did I mention that VOOM said their next box will have firewire?

No, I don't believe you did.

I haven't seen that before, and that is great news.

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(Vidguy7) wrote in message ...
Maybe it's because he already has had experience with Cablevision and
knows how incompetent they are or looked at their success record in
other business ventures.

I take each enterprise as a seperate entity. I take it on its merit and what it
brings to the table for me. It's already bringing to the table far more HD
channels than both of the big boys combined and, this before the addition of
other channels. You have a right to pre-judge if you like, but I choose to
examine the service BEFORE judging.

I'm not pre-judging anything. I've watched Cablevision for years in
it's various business adventures. In my opinion, they suck at almost
everything they've done and launching a satelite isn't going to change
poor management. The corporate philosophy seems to be, if you already
have a bunch of businesses, many of them either marginally profitable
or losing money, instead of straightening them out, just go out and
get into yet another business with fierce competition that you don't
understand. Remember The Wiz?



think this Voom idea isn't based on a sound business plan. The vast
majority of people interested in HD either already have sat from
Direct or Dish or have cable. Dish and Direct already have about 8 HD
channels and are adding more all the time.

Whether it's a sound business plan or not is subject to debate and time will be
the judge. As to the big boys and their "8" channels, let's see: DirecTV has
HBO HD, Showtime HD, Discovery HD, HDNet, HDNet movies, ESPN and a PPV if you
want to include that...by my count that's 6 HDs plus the PPV. As to the fact
that they're "adding more all the time", I WISH. The fact is they are NOT
adding more "all the time". It's a torture getting them to add ONE. Showtime HD
was on the air for over 1/2 year before they added it. DirecTV showed adds for
Discovery HD for almost TWO YEARS before they added it. So I would
unquestionably argue with your characterization. If what you said was a fact, I
would never have tried VOOM.

Do they expect people to have two sat services?

I don't know what they expect, but I do know for me VOOM is an adjunct to
DirecTV and not a replacement....at least at the moment. Since VOOM is
essentially an HD service with some SD and DirecTV is a SD service with some
HD, I see them meeting 2 distinct needs. I can't imagine someone who's really
in to HD not seriously considering them during this generous offer. Of course I
do know some people that buy HDTVs and rarely watch HD. Why they bought an HDTV
is beyond me and these are certainly not candidates for VOOM.

On cable, the
other competitor, eqpt is free

That's cable and we're talking satellite here. No satellite provider gives out
free HD equipment.

the HD offerings are constantly
increasing. (Hello Cablevision, what about your cable customers like
me?

And I think this gets to the crux of the matter for those that appear to want
VOOM to fail or seem very angry at the VOOM concept. It seems to me that almost
all of these people are those that hate Cablevision almost more than anything
in their life.

Do they expect me to go pay $750 and put up a dish to get HD
instead of just putting more on my existing cable?)

Part of your problem is that you don't realize that VOOM is a NATIONAL service,
not just a tri-state service. I suspect that many VOOM customers have never
even heard of Cablevision. I am a Cablevision subscriber and subscribe to only
the minimum "Family Cable" and don't have any need for their premium services.
I'd much rather put that money into HD services.

The fact that this offering increases competition is a good thing, but
I doubt it's economic viability.

You could be right, but time will tell.

No, I don't believe you did.

I haven't seen that before, and that is great news.

--
Jeff Rife

Jeff, of course when I see it I'll believe it.

I'm not pre-judging anything. I've watched Cablevision for years in
it's various business adventures. In my opinion, they suck at almost
everything they've done and launching a satelite isn't going to change
poor management. The corporate philosophy seems to be, if you already
have a bunch of businesses, many of them either marginally profitable
or losing money, instead of straightening them out, just go out and
get into yet another business with fierce competition that you don't
understand. Remember The Wiz?

You say you're not pre-judging anything, but if you objectively read the above,
I think you'll see that one can easily draw the conclusion you already have.
I'd suggest you objectively find someone that has this installed and actually
view the service as if it comes from some provider you never heard of. My guess
is that you'll be VERY impressed. PQ is superb, at least as good as the big
boys if not better, HD quantity blows the big boys away, they just added NFL HD
yesterday and there's far more to come.

As I've said before, I can easily understand someone being skeptical about
Cablevision, I've lived with them for years. However, my Cablevision high speed
internet service is great and thus far I'm very impressed with VOOM. I try to
be objective when I evaluate products or services. If it's good I keep it, if
it's not I ditch it. In the end I win out by being objective.

optimum online is pretty good cable still sucks
End higher ticket prices! Go to local college games!

On 20 Nov 2003 20:04:32 -0800, (Chet Hayes)
wrote:

(Vidguy7) wrote in message ...
Maybe it's because he already has had experience with Cablevision and
knows how incompetent they are or looked at their success record in
other business ventures.

I take each enterprise as a seperate entity. I take it on its merit and what it
brings to the table for me. It's already bringing to the table far more HD
channels than both of the big boys combined and, this before the addition of
other channels. You have a right to pre-judge if you like, but I choose to
examine the service BEFORE judging.

I'm not pre-judging anything. I've watched Cablevision for years in
it's various business adventures. In my opinion, they suck at almost
everything they've done and launching a satelite isn't going to change
poor management. The corporate philosophy seems to be, if you already
have a bunch of businesses, many of them either marginally profitable
or losing money, instead of straightening them out, just go out and
get into yet another business with fierce competition that you don't
understand. Remember The Wiz?

The Wiz hell, remember AT&T? I've worked for them for 36 years and
watched them merge/buy Olivetti to try to get into PCs in the early
80's, then they bought NCR to get into electronic billing. How about
Wireless? AT&T Wireless is still around but in name only. It isn't
owned by AT&T. Then last but not least came cable tv. They bought up
half the cable companies in the USA and didn't know a thing about
Cable Tv. John Malone really bent them over with that one. They put
$100 billion into it and sold it to Comcast for 1/2 price.
Thumper


think this Voom idea isn't based on a sound business plan. The vast
majority of people interested in HD either already have sat from
Direct or Dish or have cable. Dish and Direct already have about 8 HD
channels and are adding more all the time.

Whether it's a sound business plan or not is subject to debate and time will be
the judge. As to the big boys and their "8" channels, let's see: DirecTV has
HBO HD, Showtime HD, Discovery HD, HDNet, HDNet movies, ESPN and a PPV if you
want to include that...by my count that's 6 HDs plus the PPV. As to the fact
that they're "adding more all the time", I WISH. The fact is they are NOT
adding more "all the time". It's a torture getting them to add ONE. Showtime HD
was on the air for over 1/2 year before they added it. DirecTV showed adds for
Discovery HD for almost TWO YEARS before they added it. So I would
unquestionably argue with your characterization. If what you said was a fact, I
would never have tried VOOM.

Do they expect people to have two sat services?

I don't know what they expect, but I do know for me VOOM is an adjunct to
DirecTV and not a replacement....at least at the moment. Since VOOM is
essentially an HD service with some SD and DirecTV is a SD service with some
HD, I see them meeting 2 distinct needs. I can't imagine someone who's really
in to HD not seriously considering them during this generous offer. Of course I
do know some people that buy HDTVs and rarely watch HD. Why they bought an HDTV
is beyond me and these are certainly not candidates for VOOM.

On cable, the
other competitor, eqpt is free

That's cable and we're talking satellite here. No satellite provider gives out
free HD equipment.

the HD offerings are constantly
increasing. (Hello Cablevision, what about your cable customers like
me?

And I think this gets to the crux of the matter for those that appear to want
VOOM to fail or seem very angry at the VOOM concept. It seems to me that almost
all of these people are those that hate Cablevision almost more than anything
in their life.

Do they expect me to go pay $750 and put up a dish to get HD
instead of just putting more on my existing cable?)

Part of your problem is that you don't realize that VOOM is a NATIONAL service,
not just a tri-state service. I suspect that many VOOM customers have never
even heard of Cablevision. I am a Cablevision subscriber and subscribe to only
the minimum "Family Cable" and don't have any need for their premium services.
I'd much rather put that money into HD services.

The fact that this offering increases competition is a good thing, but
I doubt it's economic viability.

You could be right, but time will tell.

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