1 in 6 people don't watch BBC TV

DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
So not only do you wish us to shell out more money for a reduced
service,

Who said anything about a reduced service? How the hell do you know
what they'll offer? If anything I could see them launching new
channels if they weren't publicly funded, because it's only the
commercial sector that stops them doing a lot of the things it would
like to do.

You really are quite naive, aren't you?

you also want us to replace all our receiving apparatus with
devices which support conditional access?

Oh, whoopee do!

A £30 new set-top box, what a nightmare.

I'm glad you have such an in-depth knowledge of what I would need to buy in
order to equip myself for your post-licence fee BBC nirvana without losing
any of the functionality I currently enjoy. For a moment there, I thought
you were in danger of talking out of your arse.

DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
From the BBC Annual Report:

http://www.bbcgovernors.co.uk/annrep...nualreport.pdf (6.1
MB)

page 33:

% of individuals that watch (weekly reach) the following:

BBC Television = 85.3% (86.6% in 2005)
BBC1 = 79.7% (81.9% in 2005)
BBC2 = 59.1% (61.4% in 2005)
BBC3 = 11.8% (9.4% in 2005)
BBC4 = 4.5% (3.0% in 2005)
CBBC = 4.2% (3.5% in 2005)
CBeebies = 6.4% (5.8% in 2005)
BBC News 24 = 5.4% (4.2% in 2005)
BBC Parliament = 0.2% (0.2% in 2005)

So 15% of people don't watch BBC TV, which is around 1 in 6 people.

That shows a remarkable popularity. Bear in mind Sky TV would ****
themselves with happiness if as many as 15% DID watch them.
The small decline in BBC watching set against the increase in
non-terrestrial channels fuelled by the popularity of Freeview is only to be
expected.
Let's see ITV have the ******** to publish *their* figures. Oh, forgot, they
daren't because they don't want the advertisers to know the truth.
--
John Dean
Oxford

Pyriform wrote:
DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
So not only do you wish us to shell out more money for a reduced
service,

Who said anything about a reduced service? How the hell do you know
what they'll offer? If anything I could see them launching new
channels if they weren't publicly funded, because it's only the
commercial sector that stops them doing a lot of the things it would
like to do.

You really are quite naive, aren't you?


Hardly. And if you're going to attempt to patronise you really should put
forward some kind of correction to what I've said, or STFU.


you also want us to replace all our receiving apparatus with
devices which support conditional access?

Oh, whoopee do!

A £30 new set-top box, what a nightmare.

I'm glad you have such an in-depth knowledge of what I would need to
buy in order to equip myself for your post-licence fee BBC nirvana
without losing any of the functionality I currently enjoy.


I'm glad I have such an in-depth knowledge as well.


For a
moment there, I thought you were in danger of talking out of your
arse.


No danger at this end.

Come on then, how many new set-top boxes would you need? Do you think it
might be possible to save up for all the new equipment between now and 2016?
If not, have you considered that you need to get a new job?


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"Arfur Million" wrote in message
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But you are not allowed to pay for it on a weekly basis. That is a
relevant consideration for those of us whose television needs are
rather meagre.

Your argument doesn't add up, there was until this month TVL saving
stamps, there will be a replacement savings card [1], there is
monthly direct debits, there is always the old coffee jar at the back
of the airing cupboard (OK they have to pay the first year 'up
front').

[1] any saved value will be transferred to the new card.

snip
To be more precise, the government introduced a free licence for
anyone
who happened to live in the same household as an elderly person,
which
is not quite the same thing.

No, they introduced free TVL's for pensioners, they get a free TVL
regardless as to who else lives in the house.

"DAB sounds worse than FM" wrote in message
...
:::Jerry:::: wrote:
"DAB sounds worse than FM" wrote in message
...
David Hearn wrote:
snip

How many of those people watch BBC TV programmes though (ie. through
all those channels which show old BBC repeats?)


How is that at all relevant to the issue of the BBC licence fee?


Very, considering that they are made with licence fee money.


Logic error: BBC will still exist and make programmes, but it will be
subscription-funded.

Having had Sky in the past, I would hate to see the BBC go the way of Sky,
with all the ads and sh*tty American imports.

That is what would happen without the license fee.

The BBC is like the NHS, we all like to complain about it, but would miss it
if it wasn't there.

I would also be *very* surprised if none of those 15% *ever* watched
anything from the BBC.

Z

Steve Bosman wrote:
DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
From the BBC Annual Report:

http://www.bbcgovernors.co.uk/annrep...nualreport.pdf
(6.1 MB)

page 33:

% of individuals that watch (weekly reach) the following:

BBC Television = 85.3% (86.6% in 2005)
BBC1 = 79.7% (81.9% in 2005)
BBC2 = 59.1% (61.4% in 2005)
BBC3 = 11.8% (9.4% in 2005)
BBC4 = 4.5% (3.0% in 2005)
CBBC = 4.2% (3.5% in 2005)
CBeebies = 6.4% (5.8% in 2005)
BBC News 24 = 5.4% (4.2% in 2005)
BBC Parliament = 0.2% (0.2% in 2005)

So 15% of people don't watch BBC TV, which is around 1 in 6 people.


Have the BBC have released previous years figures (and do you know a
link to them?) since by themselves the figures are interesting but not
very useful for extropolation purposes. I also feel, when discussing
the longterm future of the license fee, the % of households would
perhaps be more useful.


They produce an annual report each year, but I don't know where it would be.

But if you're going to use it to try and justify the licence fee on the hope
that this reduction is a blip, you're on a hiding to nothing, because BBC1
has been on a downward curve since 1989. I've got a book by Will Wyatt an
ex-MD at the BBC, and there's a figure in the back of the book that shows
the percentage share of viewing for BBC1, BBC2, ITV1, C4, Five, and BBC2 has
remained pretty constant, and BBC1 peaked in 1989 with a share of about 39%
and it's been steadily going down to the final figure of 29% in 2001. And it
will have continued to go down since then with the rise of multichannel TV
viewing, and I think it will probably accelerate downwards in the next 10
years with the rise of people viewing/downloading over the Internet and with
everybody having digital TV.


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John Dean wrote:
DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
From the BBC Annual Report:

http://www.bbcgovernors.co.uk/annrep...nualreport.pdf
(6.1 MB)

page 33:

% of individuals that watch (weekly reach) the following:

BBC Television = 85.3% (86.6% in 2005)
BBC1 = 79.7% (81.9% in 2005)
BBC2 = 59.1% (61.4% in 2005)
BBC3 = 11.8% (9.4% in 2005)
BBC4 = 4.5% (3.0% in 2005)
CBBC = 4.2% (3.5% in 2005)
CBeebies = 6.4% (5.8% in 2005)
BBC News 24 = 5.4% (4.2% in 2005)
BBC Parliament = 0.2% (0.2% in 2005)

So 15% of people don't watch BBC TV, which is around 1 in 6 people.

That shows a remarkable popularity.


You couldn't be more wrong.



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"Rod L." wrote in message
...
When as a family we sit down and watch TV we mostly find ourselves
watching
shows on the BBC. Thats not to say the others don't have a fair
selection of
shows either. I find there is more than enough content to keep us
happy. I
think the BBC need to justify the huge investment by us the licence
fee
payers.

I think you have just done that!

To their credit they do appear to be doing this now. This was not
without pressure from both the licence fee payer and the
government. From
some of the over inflated wages still being paid to stars on such
soaps as
Eastenders they still need to work on their budget cuts. I do get a
bit
upset when I hear of cuts in programming yet they continue to pay
actors 6/7
figure sallaries. Plenty of talented out of work actors out there
that would
jump at the chance to work for a fraction of this sum. What I'd
hate to see

Oh right, so you want the skilled talent but you don't want to pay
the going rate (the rate that they would get if they went to work for
a commercial broadcaster)?!

is the BBC ground to dust and replaced by ITV Play 1/2/3/4/5/6 etc.
I bet
we'd want our beeb back then.


Exactly...

Zimmy wrote:
"DAB sounds worse than FM" wrote in message
...
Jerry:::: wrote:
"DAB sounds worse than FM" wrote in message
...
David Hearn wrote:
snip

How many of those people watch BBC TV programmes though (ie.
through all those channels which show old BBC repeats?)


How is that at all relevant to the issue of the BBC licence fee?


Very, considering that they are made with licence fee money.


Logic error: BBC will still exist and make programmes, but it will be
subscription-funded.

Having had Sky in the past, I would hate to see the BBC go the way of
Sky, with all the ads and sh*tty American imports.

That is what would happen without the license fee.

The BBC is like the NHS, we all like to complain about it, but would
miss it if it wasn't there.

I would also be *very* surprised if none of those 15% *ever* watched
anything from the BBC.


Is £130 per programme acceptable then?


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"DAB sounds worse than FM" wrote in message
news snip

Seeing as, by general consensus, you're one of the thickest posters
on the
whole of Usenet, you don't have room to talk about being
brainless...


Stop talking about yourself.