1 in 6 people don't watch BBC TV

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DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
I've already told you I do not support Murdoch, and yet what have you done
now, you've accused me of the same thing yet again.

You do support Murdoch. Whether you appreciate what you're doing or not is
another question.

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In article ,
DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
John Cartmell wrote:
In article ,
DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
charles wrote:

The reply was " We are publicly funded. Who you suggest we leave
out?".

That is still relevant today Once the BBC ceases to make programmes
for everybody, its justification to exist on public money ceases,
too.


And that's why BBC1 is showing the following tonight:
[SNIP]

Excluding the fact that a lot of people are addicted to their soaps,
the rest is just gash.

I suggest:
Hands On Nature - Chris Packham
Big Cat Week
BCW Uncut
Play Misty for Me
Lefties
Five Miles High
Krakatoa
Come Outside
Big Cook Little Cook
Tikkabilia
Level Up
Newsround
Really Wild Show
The Best of Jazz
Vaughan Williams Symphony 5
Making Tracks
Stage and Screen
Cheltenham Music Festival
Generating Genius
Jack Rosenthal's Last Act
Opening Lines
Beyond Belief
Document
Libya's Secret water
Pakistan v World XI - ball by ball
Allan Beswick (local)
Lancashire Sport (local)
Mirpuri
Tom Robinson
P Division
The Goon Show
The Uncertainty Principle
Flying Solo
News in English, Arabic, Spanish, Russian, Persian (and more)
Listen again with notes and links - In Our Time, Making History, This
Sceptred Isle, Amongst the Medici, the Viking Way - taking the merest
snippet of one subject area.

but it's far too much to catch in one day - and there will be a new
lot tomorrow. But that's choice.


And the beauty of subscription-funding is that they will be able to make
better programmes,

So can you identify any other broadcasting network that generates, supports,
nurtures, and broadcasts a range from which, on any one day, a short extract
will be better than what I quote (all taken from today's BBC output)?

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David Hearn wrote:
DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:

From the BBC Annual Report:

http://www.bbcgovernors.co.uk/annrep...nualreport.pdf
(6.1 MB)

page 33:

% of individuals that watch (weekly reach) the following:

BBC Television = 85.3% (86.6% in 2005)
BBC1 = 79.7% (81.9% in 2005)
BBC2 = 59.1% (61.4% in 2005)
BBC3 = 11.8% (9.4% in 2005)
BBC4 = 4.5% (3.0% in 2005)
CBBC = 4.2% (3.5% in 2005)
CBeebies = 6.4% (5.8% in 2005)
BBC News 24 = 5.4% (4.2% in 2005)
BBC Parliament = 0.2% (0.2% in 2005)

So 15% of people don't watch BBC TV, which is around 1 in 6 people.

And percentage reach for BBC1 and BBC2 has reduced by 2.2% and 2.3%
respectively.

Methinks that at this rate of decline, the BBC licence fee will
*definitely* be unsustainable by the next Charter renewal period in 10
years' time, because there will be far too many people that just never
watch the BBC, which I think is by far the strongest argument against
there being a universal licence fee/tax.


How many of those people watch BBC TV programmes though (ie. through all
those channels which show old BBC repeats?)

That last is not a tremendously powerful argument. Firstly because the
UK-TV channels get their income from (voluntary) subscription and adverts
and secondly because they do pay the BBC for the right to show the
programmes - just like foreign TV stations do. In fact, if the argument
were taken to its logical conclusion, you'd say that all foreign viewers of
BBC programmes should pay the BBC licence fee.

"Arfur Million" wrote in message
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Take QI, for
example - an interesting programme with a knowledgeable and
entertaining host that has to be dumbed down by making it game where
the stupid guests (or, rather, intelligent people pretending to be
stupid) can glorify in getting the answers wrong. Yuk.

I think it's meant to be funny, Arfur? It makes me chuckle anyway.

"DAB sounds worse than FM" i.e. Steve the parasitic spam planting
scumabag wrote - ( in order to evoke a response and so obtain a
pretext to plant some more of his spam
wrote in message ...

BTW, where's the US equivalent of the BBC? Where do we buy a lot of the
best
programmes on TV from?


You mean HBO who've just cancelled any more series of Deadwood.

HBO the 3 hit, no sorry make that the 2½ hit wonders ?

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Steve -

John Cartmell wrote:

DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:

It's a lot of money wasted if you don't watch BBC TV or watch so little that
you wouldn't want to pay the £130 (going up to £180 over the next few
years).

Some people won't pay their way for anything if they can get out of it.
They're freeloading parasites on the rest of us so their vote on the matter is
not one to seriously consider.

Why haven't you x-posted this to uk.rec.cycling?

Stewart Smith wrote:

DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
Stewart Smith wrote:

Arfur Million wrote:

Where are the programmes for people who like in-depth programmes
about anything?

On BBC 4 usually...

Very few and very far between...

Maybe, but the recent "Century that made us" season has been excellent
stuff. Apart from docs, BBC4 also has Never Mind the Fullstops which
has been very entertaining and they've just started showing the b&w
Avengers with Mrs. Peel. Catsuitastic!

Yeah... well... that one certainly wasn't made with the proceeds of the
licence fee...

John Cartmell wrote:
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Arfur Million wrote:

I cannot list anything of good value from the BBC, There are one or two
programmes I watch


TV is only part of it - the fact that you answer in this way suggests that you
are doing what I suggested, and count the total cost of the BBC against just
one aspect of its output. Even at that it's extremely good value of course.

I bet you would gladly sell your house and all your possessions to help
fund it.

DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
From the BBC Annual Report:

http://www.bbcgovernors.co.uk/annrep...nualreport.pdf (6.1
MB)

page 33:

% of individuals that watch (weekly reach) the following:

BBC Television = 85.3% (86.6% in 2005)

So 15% of people don't watch BBC TV, which is around 1 in 6 people.

Methinks that at this rate of decline, the BBC licence fee will
*definitely* be unsustainable by the next Charter renewal period in
10 years' time, because there will be far too many people that just
never watch the BBC, which I think is by far the strongest argument
against there being a universal licence fee/tax.


A few minor observations:

a) I'd fall into the 15% for many weeks; it means watching less than a
certain number of minutes of TV each day or week. However, it would be rare
that I don't listen to BBC Radio services (the ones which are not
commercially viable, such as Radio 3 or Radio 4), or use the BBC internet
services.

b) Channel 4 is also part-funded by the license fee. So, any "abolish the
license fee" arguments needs to include Channel 4 and its subsiduary
channels in the calculations.






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Nigel Cliffe wrote:
DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:

From the BBC Annual Report:

http://www.bbcgovernors.co.uk/annrep...nualreport.pdf (6.1
MB)

page 33:

% of individuals that watch (weekly reach) the following:

BBC Television = 85.3% (86.6% in 2005)


So 15% of people don't watch BBC TV, which is around 1 in 6 people.

Methinks that at this rate of decline, the BBC licence fee will
*definitely* be unsustainable by the next Charter renewal period in
10 years' time, because there will be far too many people that just
never watch the BBC, which I think is by far the strongest argument
against there being a universal licence fee/tax.



A few minor observations:

a) I'd fall into the 15% for many weeks; it means watching less than a
certain number of minutes of TV each day or week. However, it would be rare
that I don't listen to BBC Radio services (the ones which are not
commercially viable, such as Radio 3 or Radio 4), or use the BBC internet
services.

b) Channel 4 is also part-funded by the license fee. So, any "abolish the
license fee" arguments needs to include Channel 4 and its subsiduary
channels in the calculations.

Is that last bit right?

How does the TV licence fund C4?