1 in 6 people don't watch BBC TV

In article ,
DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
charles wrote:

The reply was " We are publicly funded. Who you suggest we leave
out?".

That is still relevant today Once the BBC ceases to make programmes
for everybody, its justification to exist on public money ceases, too.


And that's why BBC1 is showing the following tonight:
[SNIP]

Excluding the fact that a lot of people are addicted to their soaps, the
rest is just gash.

I suggest:
Hands On Nature - Chris Packham
Big Cat Week
BCW Uncut
Play Misty for Me
Lefties
Five Miles High
Krakatoa
Come Outside
Big Cook Little Cook
Tikkabilia
Something Special (but not today)
Level Up
Newsround
Really Wild Show
The Best of Jazz
Vaughan Williams Symphony 5
Making Tracks
Stage and Screen
Cheltenham Music Festival
Generating Genius
Jack Rosenthal's Last Act
Opening Lines
Beyond Belief
Document
Libya's Secret water
Pakistan v World XI - ball by ball
Allan Beswick (local)
Lancashire Sport (local)
Mirpuri
Tom Robinson
P Division
The Goon Show
The Uncertainty Principle
Flying Solo
News in English, Arabic, Spanish, Russian, Persian (and more)
Listen again with notes and links - In Our Time, Making History, This Sceptred
Isle, Amongst the Medici, the Viking Way - taking the merest snippet of one
subject area.

but it's far too much to catch in one day - and there will be a new lot
tomorrow. But that's choice.

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"DAB sounds worse than FM" wrote in message
...
snip

I watch C4/More4/E4 and BBC TV. Why do I have to support a TV tax
just
because I sometimes watch BBC TV?


Because you own a TV.

In article ,
DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
John Cartmell wrote:
In article .com,
Arfur Million wrote:

It may well be patronising. I know families who reject the concept of
education (see below) and, for the good of society, I support a
system that undermines their 'values'.

I'll accept that some people don't value good broadcasting - just as
there are some people who don't value education - but it's still a
good idea to make both good broadcasting and good education
available to all at the cost of all.

How can you place light entertainment, especially the mild pap
produced by the BBC, at the same level as education? Why should
Eatenders be made available at the cost to all?

It's part of a package that cannot be sustained without such
inclusions. I do argue that the BBC should reduce such content but
know that it's essential that a good proportion remains. It's a
dynamic situation.

[SNIP list of programmes on on BBC channel - try substituting the list I
offered in this thread]

I'll also accept that there are people who can't see good value
because they only count a very small proportion of the benefit and
don't understand the results of withdrawing that benefit.

But I can see good value. So can you, and doesn't the value improve
when it's subsidised by other people?

That sounds like you want to be a parasitic freeloader.

Why does everybody that opposes the licence fee become a freeloader in your
eyes?
You sound like one when you say the value improves when it's subsidised by
others. It also describes people who evade paying the licence fee yet are
happy to make use the products of that fee.

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In article ,
DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
Pyriform wrote:
DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
So not only do you wish us to shell out more money for a reduced
service,

Who said anything about a reduced service? How the hell do you know
what they'll offer? If anything I could see them launching new
channels if they weren't publicly funded, because it's only the
commercial sector that stops them doing a lot of the things it would
like to do.

You really are quite naive, aren't you?

Hardly. And if you're going to attempt to patronise you really should put
forward some kind of correction to what I've said, or STFU.

you also want us to replace all our receiving apparatus with
devices which support conditional access?

Oh, whoopee do!

A £30 new set-top box, what a nightmare.

I'm glad you have such an in-depth knowledge of what I would need to
buy in order to equip myself for your post-licence fee BBC nirvana
without losing any of the functionality I currently enjoy.

I'm glad I have such an in-depth knowledge as well.

For a moment there, I thought you were in danger of talking out of your
arse.

No danger at this end.

Come on then, how many new set-top boxes would you need? Do you think it
might be possible to save up for all the new equipment between now and 2016?
I don't know how much it would cost but I reckon a fully-functional Tardis
would be the least of the requirements.

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In article ,
DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
To turn that round, should these people that watch BBC channels once or
twice per year be made to pay £130?

If you suggest that there are more than a handful of households in the UK that
only use BBC products once or twice a year then you are lying. Certainly there
are far more allowed to make free use of the services than there are paying
and only using a small amount.

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:::Jerry:::: wrote:
"DAB sounds worse than FM" wrote in message
...
snip

Logic error: BBC will still exist and make programmes, but it will be
subscription-funded.


No it won't, the BBC is a PSB service, they make what people should
or need to watch,


What, like DIY SOS on tonight on BBC1?


which is why (even in a dumbed down form)
programmes such as Panorama and Horizon


I take it you're taking the **** when you mention the docudrama dumbed down
to the max ****e that is Horizon?


are still made - unlike ITV's
World in Action or Disappearing World and the like. If the BBC went
over to a subscription service they would have to make only
programmes that people want to watch,


Yes, well done. You've got it in one. Programmes people want to watch. What
could be better?


the BBC will become just
another commercial station.


Subscription != advertising


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:::Jerry:::: wrote:
"DAB sounds worse than FM" wrote in message
...
Jerry:::: wrote:

[ re the TVL ]


That is a weak argument when we are talking about under 50 pence a
day for something that no one is forced to own.


People are forced to pay it if they want to watch TV, but an
increasing number of people do not watch BBC TV, which is the point.


Err, logic error (as you would say)....

They are only forced to pay it if they want to own (an installed)
television, no one is forced to own a television, no one is forced to
have an unused television installed.


Clearly you cannot read, because I wrote this:

"People are forced to pay it if they want to watch TV"


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At 15:36:33 on 10/07/2006, DAB sounds worse than FM delighted
uk.tech.digital-tv by announcing:

Come on then, how many new set-top boxes would you need? Do you think
it might be possible to save up for all the new equipment between now
and 2016? If not, have you considered that you need to get a new job?

Perhaps you should ask for a ?180 p.a. payrise.

John Cartmell wrote:
In article ,
DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
charles wrote:

The reply was " We are publicly funded. Who you suggest we leave
out?".

That is still relevant today Once the BBC ceases to make programmes
for everybody, its justification to exist on public money ceases,
too.


And that's why BBC1 is showing the following tonight:
[SNIP]

Excluding the fact that a lot of people are addicted to their soaps,
the rest is just gash.

I suggest:
Hands On Nature - Chris Packham
Big Cat Week
BCW Uncut
Play Misty for Me
Lefties
Five Miles High
Krakatoa
Come Outside
Big Cook Little Cook
Tikkabilia
Something Special (but not today)
Level Up
Newsround
Really Wild Show
The Best of Jazz
Vaughan Williams Symphony 5
Making Tracks
Stage and Screen
Cheltenham Music Festival
Generating Genius
Jack Rosenthal's Last Act
Opening Lines
Beyond Belief
Document
Libya's Secret water
Pakistan v World XI - ball by ball
Allan Beswick (local)
Lancashire Sport (local)
Mirpuri
Tom Robinson
P Division
The Goon Show
The Uncertainty Principle
Flying Solo
News in English, Arabic, Spanish, Russian, Persian (and more)
Listen again with notes and links - In Our Time, Making History, This
Sceptred Isle, Amongst the Medici, the Viking Way - taking the merest
snippet of one subject area.

but it's far too much to catch in one day - and there will be a new
lot tomorrow. But that's choice.


And the beauty of subscription-funding is that they will be able to make
better programmes, partly by saving the, what is it, £300m spent on
enforcing the tax, and they don't have to pander to the lowest common
denominator, because the link between their existence and having to serve
each and evey pleb with non-stop drivel will have been severed.

Look at HBO as an example of a subscription-based broadcaster that really
produces the goods. Time after time they produce top notch drama series, and
they take risks (apparently), because they don't have to pander to the
lowest common denominator.

Once you see the superior programming provided by a subscription-funded BBC
you will agree that I'm right.

BTW, I hope you've set the video for DIY SOS tonight, I believe it's gonna
be a good one!


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:::Jerry:::: wrote:
"Arfur Million" wrote in message
...
snip most of your ignorant anti BBC clap-trap

- the BBC is a political organisation. This does not mean that it
necessarily supports one or the other main parties (though I have
some Conservative-voting friends who believe that it does) but it
does have a political (small p) viewpoint. I do not share the BBC's
politics and do not wish to contribute to their promotion ;

Your having a laugh! The BBC is apolitical,


cough Andrew Marr.


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