FilmFour free on Sky?

On 27 May 2006 11:10:25 GMT, MJ Ray wrote:

It's where the trend from the Ofcom DTV Update figures up to Q3 2003
would probably have reached had they not changed the method of counting
in Q4 2003.

That figure is not homes with non-Sky equipment. As the Q3 2003 DTV
Update says itself:

"These figures comprise an estimate of the number of Sky viewers who
have only ever been FTA viewers plus an estimate of the number of
ex-Sky subscribers who continue to use their set-top boxes for viewing
FTA channels."

It's fairly easy to buy them, available from online shops, a few
supermarkets and specialist installers, but not as easy *or* *as* *cheap*
as it would be in a free and fair market. They're not as easy to
use as other European systems because of Sky's involvement in
EPG production and discouragement of Ceefax.

It's not Sky's fault that other European boxes can't string together a
decent EPG. Nor is it Sky's fault that Ceefax was "discouraged" - that
was exclusively the fault of the BBC and their mania to break the
cycle of all the embarrassing research that showed how the majority of
digital viewers still preferred to use Ceefax as it was better than
BBCi. Easily solved by the BBC taking the better service away.

How do we get the competition commission to stop Sky's scandals?

Well if there are indeed any "scandals" then the first thing "we"
would need to do would be to get our facts straight..


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On 27 May 2006 11:10:26 GMT, MJ Ray wrote:

On satellite, Channel 4 is a pay-TV channel, not a public service
broadcaster.

Channel 4 does not require a subscription - it is not pay TV.

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On Sat, 27 May 2006 12:35:31 GMT, (Zero Tolerance)
wrote:

On 27 May 2006 11:10:26 GMT, MJ Ray wrote:

On satellite, Channel 4 is a pay-TV channel, not a public service
broadcaster.

Channel 4 does not require a subscription - it is not pay TV.

If you want to receive Channel 4 via satellite then you must pay for an access
card. For C4's other channels that are FTA on DVB-T (Freeview) (E4 & More4) then
you must subscribe to a Sky package. By any definition this makes C4 a Pay TV
channels on satellite.

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Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur

Nigel Barker wrote:
On Sat, 27 May 2006 12:35:31 GMT, (Zero
Tolerance) wrote:

On 27 May 2006 11:10:26 GMT, MJ Ray wrote:

On satellite, Channel 4 is a pay-TV channel, not a public service
broadcaster.

Channel 4 does not require a subscription - it is not pay TV.

If you want to receive Channel 4 via satellite then you must pay for
an access card. For C4's other channels that are FTA on DVB-T
(Freeview) (E4 & More4) then you must subscribe to a Sky package. By
any definition this makes C4 a Pay TV channels on satellite.

I watch Channel 4 via satellite, I've never paid anything for the card.
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Adrian

On Sat, 27 May 2006 15:11:47 +0100, "Adrian A" wrote:

Nigel Barker wrote:
On Sat, 27 May 2006 12:35:31 GMT, (Zero
Tolerance) wrote:

On 27 May 2006 11:10:26 GMT, MJ Ray wrote:

On satellite, Channel 4 is a pay-TV channel, not a public service
broadcaster.

Channel 4 does not require a subscription - it is not pay TV.

If you want to receive Channel 4 via satellite then you must pay for
an access card. For C4's other channels that are FTA on DVB-T
(Freeview) (E4 & More4) then you must subscribe to a Sky package. By
any definition this makes C4 a Pay TV channels on satellite.

I watch Channel 4 via satellite, I've never paid anything for the card.

It's been some years now since the BBC stopped handing out free access cards. If
you want to watch C4 on satellite nowadays you must pay for an access card.

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Nigel Barker
Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur

"Adrian A" wrote in message
...
Nigel Barker wrote:
On Sat, 27 May 2006 12:35:31 GMT, (Zero
Tolerance) wrote:

On 27 May 2006 11:10:26 GMT, MJ Ray wrote:

On satellite, Channel 4 is a pay-TV channel, not a public service
broadcaster.

Channel 4 does not require a subscription - it is not pay TV.

If you want to receive Channel 4 via satellite then you must pay for
an access card. For C4's other channels that are FTA on DVB-T
(Freeview) (E4 & More4) then you must subscribe to a Sky package. By
any definition this makes C4 a Pay TV channels on satellite.

I watch Channel 4 via satellite, I've never paid anything for the card.
--
Adrian




The fee is £20 plus VAT last time I paid for a card for someone.

If you don't pay the fee, you don't get Channel 4 or FIVE.

You also don't get MORE4 which is also supposedly "free to air".

Heracles Pollux wrote:
"Adrian A" wrote in message
...
Nigel Barker wrote:
On Sat, 27 May 2006 12:35:31 GMT, (Zero
Tolerance) wrote:

On 27 May 2006 11:10:26 GMT, MJ Ray wrote:

On satellite, Channel 4 is a pay-TV channel, not a public service
broadcaster.

Channel 4 does not require a subscription - it is not pay TV.

If you want to receive Channel 4 via satellite then you must pay for
an access card. For C4's other channels that are FTA on DVB-T
(Freeview) (E4 & More4) then you must subscribe to a Sky package. By
any definition this makes C4 a Pay TV channels on satellite.

I watch Channel 4 via satellite, I've never paid anything for the
card. --
Adrian




The fee is £20 plus VAT last time I paid for a card for someone.

If you don't pay the fee, you don't get Channel 4 or FIVE.

You also don't get MORE4 which is also supposedly "free to air".

I have 4 cards, none of which cost me anything. I know that's no longer the
case but that doesn't make C4 a pay channel, unlike MORE4, which you still
need a Sky subscription to watch via D-SAT, it's only free on DTT.
--
Adrian

Thus spaketh Jomtien:
Nigel Barker wrote:

Our local Carrefour has FTA digital satellite receivers for just 37
Euros or just over twenty pounds!

I doubt that the build quality is anywhere near that of a current Sky
box.


Which can only be a good thing, as you can't get any worse. So you must
mean it will be superior.


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Zero Tolerance wrote:

They're not as easy to
use as other European systems because of Sky's involvement in
EPG production and discouragement of Ceefax.

It's not Sky's fault that other European boxes can't string together a
decent EPG.

There is a common standard for EPG data transmission and Sky
deliberately does not comply with it. If they did, the full 7 day EPG
would be visible on any box. It doesn't take much imagination to
realise why they don't.

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"Adrian A" wrote in message
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Heracles Pollux wrote:
"Adrian A" wrote in message
...
Nigel Barker wrote:
On Sat, 27 May 2006 12:35:31 GMT, (Zero
Tolerance) wrote:

On 27 May 2006 11:10:26 GMT, MJ Ray wrote:

On satellite, Channel 4 is a pay-TV channel, not a public service
broadcaster.

Channel 4 does not require a subscription - it is not pay TV.

If you want to receive Channel 4 via satellite then you must pay for
an access card. For C4's other channels that are FTA on DVB-T
(Freeview) (E4 & More4) then you must subscribe to a Sky package. By
any definition this makes C4 a Pay TV channels on satellite.

I watch Channel 4 via satellite, I've never paid anything for the
card. --
Adrian




The fee is £20 plus VAT last time I paid for a card for someone.

If you don't pay the fee, you don't get Channel 4 or FIVE.

You also don't get MORE4 which is also supposedly "free to air".

I have 4 cards, none of which cost me anything. I know that's no longer
the
case but that doesn't make C4 a pay channel, unlike MORE4, which you still
need a Sky subscription to watch via D-SAT, it's only free on DTT.
--
Adrian



It is a semantic, pedantic and rhetorical point we both make.