FilmFour free on Sky?

Adrian A wrote:

~ R K Pelligo wrote:
~ ~ Adrian A wrote:
~ ~
~ ~ Nigel Barker wrote:
~ ~ ~ On 24 May 2006 10:50:05 GMT, MJ Ray wrote:
~ ~ ~
~ ~ ~ ~ "loz"
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ who knows. C4 did make similar statements about More 4
~ that ~ ~ ~ ~ turned out not to be FTA on sky
~ ~ ~ ~
~ ~ ~ ~ I've asked C4 by email whether it will be properly FTA, and
~ ~ ~ ~ reminded them that FreesatFromSky is about twice the price of
~ ~ ~ ~ other freesat sets.
~ ~ ~ ~ I'll let you know what comes back.
~ ~ ~
~ ~ ~ Our local Carrefour has FTA digital satellite receivers for
~ just 37 ~ ~ Euros or just over twenty pounds!
~ ~ ~
~ ~ Just over twenty-five pounds, good value.
~ ~
~ ~ 26 pounds 50.4297 pence at this precise moment ;-)
~
~ I don't know where you get your figure from but it's way out.
~ 37 euros = #25.2622
~

I challenge you, today, to go into a bank, PO or travel agent and buy
Euros @ 1.4646 to the pound. If you succeed, please let me know where
so I can get some too ;-)


--
RKP

On Thu, 25 May 2006 15:43:39 GMT, "R K Pelligo"
wrote:

Adrian A wrote:

~ R K Pelligo wrote:
~ ~ Adrian A wrote:
~ ~
~ ~ Nigel Barker wrote:
~ ~ ~ On 24 May 2006 10:50:05 GMT, MJ Ray wrote:
~ ~ ~
~ ~ ~ ~ "loz"
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ who knows. C4 did make similar statements about More 4
~ that ~ ~ ~ ~ turned out not to be FTA on sky
~ ~ ~ ~
~ ~ ~ ~ I've asked C4 by email whether it will be properly FTA, and
~ ~ ~ ~ reminded them that FreesatFromSky is about twice the price of
~ ~ ~ ~ other freesat sets.
~ ~ ~ ~ I'll let you know what comes back.
~ ~ ~
~ ~ ~ Our local Carrefour has FTA digital satellite receivers for
~ just 37 ~ ~ Euros or just over twenty pounds!
~ ~ ~
~ ~ Just over twenty-five pounds, good value.
~ ~
~ ~ 26 pounds 50.4297 pence at this precise moment ;-)
~
~ I don't know where you get your figure from but it's way out.
~ 37 euros = #25.2622
~

I challenge you, today, to go into a bank, PO or travel agent and buy
Euros @ 1.4646 to the pound. If you succeed, please let me know where
so I can get some too ;-)

I checked the current bank rate 1.4644
Use a decent credit card eg. Liverpool Victoria to buy the goods and
that is close to what you will get. Use a Bad one like 99% of the
credit cards then you will be hit with 2.75% loading.

R K Pelligo wrote:
Adrian A wrote:

~ R K Pelligo wrote:
~ ~ Adrian A wrote:
~ ~
~ ~ Nigel Barker wrote:
~ ~ ~ On 24 May 2006 10:50:05 GMT, MJ Ray
wrote: ~ ~ ~
~ ~ ~ ~ "loz"
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ who knows. C4 did make similar statements about More 4
~ that ~ ~ ~ ~ turned out not to be FTA on sky
~ ~ ~ ~
~ ~ ~ ~ I've asked C4 by email whether it will be properly FTA, and
~ ~ ~ ~ reminded them that FreesatFromSky is about twice the price
of ~ ~ ~ ~ other freesat sets.
~ ~ ~ ~ I'll let you know what comes back.
~ ~ ~
~ ~ ~ Our local Carrefour has FTA digital satellite receivers for
~ just 37 ~ ~ Euros or just over twenty pounds!
~ ~ ~
~ ~ Just over twenty-five pounds, good value.
~ ~
~ ~ 26 pounds 50.4297 pence at this precise moment ;-)
~
~ I don't know where you get your figure from but it's way out.
~ 37 euros = #25.2622
~

I challenge you, today, to go into a bank, PO or travel agent and buy
Euros @ 1.4646 to the pound. If you succeed, please let me know where
so I can get some too ;-)

We weren't talking about buying euros, we were talking about the stirling
equivilent.
Currently 1.00 GBP = 1.46510 EUR
--
Adrian

Adrian A wrote:

~ R K Pelligo wrote:
~ ~ Adrian A wrote:
~ ~
~ ~ R K Pelligo wrote:
~ ~ ~ Adrian A wrote:
~ ~ ~
~ ~ ~ Nigel Barker wrote:
~ ~ ~ ~ On 24 May 2006 10:50:05 GMT, MJ Ray
~ wrote: ~ ~ ~
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "loz"
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ who knows. C4 did make similar statements about More 4
~ ~ that ~ ~ ~ ~ turned out not to be FTA on sky
~ ~ ~ ~ ~
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ I've asked C4 by email whether it will be properly FTA,
~ and ~ ~ ~ ~ reminded them that FreesatFromSky is about twice the
~ price of ~ ~ ~ ~ other freesat sets.
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ I'll let you know what comes back.
~ ~ ~ ~
~ ~ ~ ~ Our local Carrefour has FTA digital satellite receivers for
~ ~ just 37 ~ ~ Euros or just over twenty pounds!
~ ~ ~ ~
~ ~ ~ Just over twenty-five pounds, good value.
~ ~ ~
~ ~ ~ 26 pounds 50.4297 pence at this precise moment ;-)
~ ~ ~
~ ~ I don't know where you get your figure from but it's way out.
~ ~ 37 euros = #25.2622
~ ~ ~
~ ~
~ ~ I challenge you, today, to go into a bank, PO or travel agent and
~ ~ buy Euros @ 1.4646 to the pound. If you succeed, please let me
~ ~ know where so I can get some too ;-)
~
~ We weren't talking about buying euros, we were talking about the
~ stirling equivilent.
~ Currently 1.00 GBP = 1.46510 EUR

Fair comment! But if you can buy at that rate.......... ;-)

--
RKP

On 25 May 2006 12:18:54 GMT, MJ Ray wrote:

Ofcom knew enough to exclude FTA sets from the official statistics.

The number of subscription viewers is known, as each and every one
must pay to do so. The number of FTV viewers is known, as each and
every one must obtain a card to do so. The number of FTA viewers is
unknown, and is not so much "excluded" as "hard to count accurately".

Why the $DEITY is Ofcom allowed to compile them instead of ONS?

Because responsibility for broadcasting lies with Ofcom, whereas ONS
have responsibility for economy, population and society only.

--

Zero Tolerance wrote:

The number of subscription viewers is known, as each and every one
must pay to do so. The number of FTV viewers is known, as each and
every one must obtain a card to do so. The number of FTA viewers is
unknown, and is not so much "excluded" as "hard to count accurately".

Clearly many FTV viewers will in fact be using ex-subscription cards.
This makes them just as hard to count as the FTA viewers.

The figures are meaningless, as is Ofcom.

--
Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/8vef5
UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
BBC reception questions? ; http://www.astra2d.com/
Fed up with on-screen logos? : http://logofreetv.org/
----
Only the truth as I see it.
No monies return'd. ;-)

MJ Ray wrote:

Ofcom knew enough to exclude FTA sets from the official statistics.
Why the $DEITY is Ofcom allowed to compile them instead of ONS?

Ofcom have to have *something* to do.

--
Digibox problem? : A reboot solves 90% of these.
The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/8vef5
UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
BBC reception questions? ; http://www.astra2d.com/
Fed up with on-screen logos? : http://logofreetv.org/
----
Only the truth as I see it.
No monies return'd. ;-)

On Thu, 25 May 2006 16:43:28 GMT, "R K Pelligo"
wrote:

Adrian A wrote:

~ R K Pelligo wrote:
~ ~ Adrian A wrote:
~ ~
~ ~ R K Pelligo wrote:
~ ~ ~ Adrian A wrote:
~ ~ ~
~ ~ ~ Nigel Barker wrote:
~ ~ ~ ~ On 24 May 2006 10:50:05 GMT, MJ Ray
~ wrote: ~ ~ ~
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "loz"
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ who knows. C4 did make similar statements about More 4
~ ~ that ~ ~ ~ ~ turned out not to be FTA on sky
~ ~ ~ ~ ~
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ I've asked C4 by email whether it will be properly FTA,
~ and ~ ~ ~ ~ reminded them that FreesatFromSky is about twice the
~ price of ~ ~ ~ ~ other freesat sets.
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ I'll let you know what comes back.
~ ~ ~ ~
~ ~ ~ ~ Our local Carrefour has FTA digital satellite receivers for
~ ~ just 37 ~ ~ Euros or just over twenty pounds!
~ ~ ~ ~
~ ~ ~ Just over twenty-five pounds, good value.
~ ~ ~
~ ~ ~ 26 pounds 50.4297 pence at this precise moment ;-)
~ ~ ~
~ ~ I don't know where you get your figure from but it's way out.
~ ~ 37 euros = #25.2622
~ ~ ~
~ ~
~ ~ I challenge you, today, to go into a bank, PO or travel agent and
~ ~ buy Euros @ 1.4646 to the pound. If you succeed, please let me
~ ~ know where so I can get some too ;-)
~
~ We weren't talking about buying euros, we were talking about the
~ stirling equivilent.
~ Currently 1.00 GBP = 1.46510 EUR

Fair comment! But if you can buy at that rate.......... ;-)

At the current Interbank rate as stated by www.oanda.com 37 Euros is 25.26656. I
get paid in Euros so was providing a direct comparison to the real cost of a FTA
satellite receiver in Rip-off Britain.

--
Nigel Barker
Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur

(Zero Tolerance)
On 25 May 2006 12:18:54 GMT, MJ Ray wrote:
Ofcom knew enough to exclude FTA sets from the official statistics.

The number of subscription viewers is known, as each and every one
must pay to do so. The number of FTV viewers is known, as each and
every one must obtain a card to do so. The number of FTA viewers is
unknown, and is not so much "excluded" as "hard to count accurately".

No, they are *excluded*. There's not even an attempt to count them:

I remarked on 2004-11-03:

"homes with a digital satellite set-top box but without a current
Sky subscription can receive BBC channels but not ITV1, Channel 4 and
Five. Ofcom no longer considers such homes to be digital households."
- from Driving Digital Switchover, Ofcom

With that one piece of handwaving, Ofcom erased the million homes with
non-Sky satellite systems from the statistics at the end of 2003.

Looking further, this Digital Television Update says: "The only additional
free-to-view satellite households in future will be those who churn-off
Sky's subscription service." To be counted as a non-Sky satellite
user, one must first subscribe to Sky. When Sky change viewing cards,
the counter will be reset to zero unless there is a new scheme to sell
viewing cards. Free-to-air viewers simply don't count.

They do exist, though. Sky is not the only choice for satellite TV.

Why the $DEITY is Ofcom allowed to compile them instead of ONS?

Because responsibility for broadcasting lies with Ofcom, whereas ONS
have responsibility for economy, population and society only.

It's as much a social statistic as Internet use, which ONS compiles.

Hope that explains,
--
MJR/slef
Sat FAQ: http://mjr.towers.org.uk/blog/2006/astefaq

Nigel Barker wrote:
On Thu, 25 May 2006 16:43:28 GMT, "R K Pelligo"
wrote:

Adrian A wrote:

~ R K Pelligo wrote:
~ ~ Adrian A wrote:
~ ~
~ ~ R K Pelligo wrote:
~ ~ ~ Adrian A wrote:
~ ~ ~
~ ~ ~ Nigel Barker wrote:
~ ~ ~ ~ On 24 May 2006 10:50:05 GMT, MJ Ray
~ wrote: ~ ~ ~
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "loz"
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ who knows. C4 did make similar statements about
More 4 ~ ~ that ~ ~ ~ ~ turned out not to be FTA on sky
~ ~ ~ ~ ~
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ I've asked C4 by email whether it will be properly
FTA, ~ and ~ ~ ~ ~ reminded them that FreesatFromSky is about
twice the ~ price of ~ ~ ~ ~ other freesat sets.
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ I'll let you know what comes back.
~ ~ ~ ~
~ ~ ~ ~ Our local Carrefour has FTA digital satellite receivers
for ~ ~ just 37 ~ ~ Euros or just over twenty pounds!
~ ~ ~ ~
~ ~ ~ Just over twenty-five pounds, good value.
~ ~ ~
~ ~ ~ 26 pounds 50.4297 pence at this precise moment ;-)
~ ~ ~
~ ~ I don't know where you get your figure from but it's way out.
~ ~ 37 euros = #25.2622
~ ~ ~
~ ~
~ ~ I challenge you, today, to go into a bank, PO or travel agent
and ~ ~ buy Euros @ 1.4646 to the pound. If you succeed, please let
me ~ ~ know where so I can get some too ;-)
~
~ We weren't talking about buying euros, we were talking about the
~ stirling equivilent.
~ Currently 1.00 GBP = 1.46510 EUR

Fair comment! But if you can buy at that rate.......... ;-)

At the current Interbank rate as stated by www.oanda.com 37 Euros is
25.26656. I get paid in Euros so was providing a direct comparison to
the real cost of a FTA satellite receiver in Rip-off Britain.

I used http://www.xe.com/ucc/ which seems pretty close, obviously you can
never be precise when exchange rates change by the second.
--
Adrian