HD ready sets 'a waste of money'

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"Ed Chilada" wrote in message
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On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 00:24:12 GMT, "steeler" wrote:


"Ed Chilada" wrote in message
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On Mon, 03 Apr 2006 21:21:40 GMT, "steeler" wrote:

but not a reason to need a 1080 TV - subject of this thread.

Eh? The games themselves can output 1080. 'i' for the 360, 'p' for the
PS3. Perhaps a very nice way to show off that 1080 resolution screen.

http://hardware.gamespot.com/Story-ST-x-1985-x-x-x


The specs on that page must be old. Xbox360 was slated to have digital
HD
support upto 1080 and a HD-DVD drive. Then the HD-DVD was to be an
optional
extra. The final product gives a composite HDTV output with a max
resolution of 720.

A current MS site:

http://www.xbox.com/en-GB/hardware/x...engraphics.htm

"All games are capable of running at 576i (that's the resolution of
your standard definition TV), 576p, 720p, and 1080i, so no matter what
your TV supports, Xbox 360 has you covered."

Perhaps capable - no games currently out run higher than 720. I call
bull**** on MS. They killed any chance of developers supporting any
higher
resolutions when they limited disc size to 9gb



I've got some 360 games that say they support 1080i on the box,

They are lying.

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On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 14:00:33 GMT "steeler" waved a
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"All games are capable of running at 576i (that's the resolution of
your standard definition TV), 576p, 720p, and 1080i, so no matter what
your TV supports, Xbox 360 has you covered."

Perhaps capable - no games currently out run higher than 720. I call
bull**** on MS. They killed any chance of developers supporting any
higher
resolutions when they limited disc size to 9gb

That's why they're working on two new formats of DVDs: Blu-Ray and
HD-DVD. Blu-Ray offers 50GB, whilst HD-DVD offers a somewhat lame
25GB of space.


MS are backing HD-DVD but ******* Bill has said that if any add-on drive is
made available for 360 then it will be for movies only. A two tier console
has never worked for the games market anyway (megaCD, famicom DD, 32X, N64
ram pack,etc)

"Ed Chilada" wrote in message
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On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 14:00:33 GMT, "steeler" wrote:


A current MS site:

http://www.xbox.com/en-GB/hardware/x...engraphics.htm

"All games are capable of running at 576i (that's the resolution of
your standard definition TV), 576p, 720p, and 1080i, so no matter what
your TV supports, Xbox 360 has you covered."

Perhaps capable - no games currently out run higher than 720. I call
bull**** on MS. They killed any chance of developers supporting any
higher
resolutions when they limited disc size to 9gb

What has that got to do with it? You could write software to take
advantage of 1080i in 1mb! I don't think a lack of storage for
pre-rendered textures (and 9gb is hardly small), means that it can't
support 1080i !


Many developers disagree with you. Most would rather make all the game at a
lower res rather then make all 1080 cutscenes real-time.

QUOTE

"Team Ninja chief Tomonobu Itagaki has expressed concerns over the lack of
storage space on the Xbox 360's DVD media.

Speaking to Japanese magazine, Famitsu, Itagaki has expressed concerns over
the limited capacity DVD offers in the era of High Definition. He feels
developers will struggle to fit High Definition pre-rendered sequences onto
the 9GB format, being particularly problematic for Japanese developers who
prefer to use pre-rendered over real time cut scenes.

"The screen resolution for Xbox 360 games will be in high definition, so the
pre-rendered movies are going to be pretty large," said Itagaki. "If we
encoded the Dead or Alive 4 trailer from E3 in high definition in a quality
acceptable to us, it will easily be about 2GB." This would leave around 7BG
for game data, but for games relying on pre-rendered scenes to tell and
develop the story, multiple DVDs may be required. Itagaki added how shocked
he and his team were when they were told the Xbox 360 would use DVDs.

"With DOA4, we'll be using the disc's capacity to its full extent. We
started development on DOA4 pretty early, and we didn't know what disc
format the Xbox 360 was going to adopt. So when we learned about it, we were
really knocked out."

This is a realistic concern to have as HD video requires large amounts of
disc space that the DVD format does not have. Sony, on the other hand, are
to use the much larger capacity Blu-Ray discs, so PlayStation 3 developers
should not face such problems."


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On Mon, 03 Apr 2006 22:05:27 GMT, "Emperor's New Widescreen"
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Dixons helpfully commented "No one can really tell the difference
between 700 and 1000 lines"

Indeed most people wont be able to see the extra definition unless
they sit 2 feet from the box.

What you seem to overlook, however, is that you can view a larger
picture from the same distance using high definition with the same
perception of picture quality over the whole area. Screen sizes have
been increasing rapidly recently, and deficiencies in the current
picture quality are very evident.

What you are overlooking is that you will need a screen 7 feet wide
before you will need a HD TV, so even on a 40" TV you are
wasting your money. You simply will not be able to see the extra
definitioin.

Rubbish, utter rubbish. You go into a branch of Comet or Currys and
have a look at their HD demos on 42" and even 37" screens. They're
awesome.

So what? When you get it home you won't be watching demos all the time, you'll
be watching TV programmes that don't go anywhere near the strength of a demo.

I can't see two cars crashing in Albert Square, one of them stuffed full of
multicoloured balls that bounce slowly down the street(!)
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Dom Robinson wrote:

You actually expect analogue to be switched off by 2012? When did the
government ever get anything done on time? Think 2020 at the earliest,
I'll
put a bet on that.

There's too much cash to be earned by selling off frequencies. Vodafone
just have to make a few healthy donations and loan guarantees to political
parties for the ball to be kept rolling.

All that confirms is that any government of the day is crooked, which is true,
but they're also too stupid to make anything run on time.

I'll bet you the circled dot of the 'i' in Andi Peters' name that it doesn't
happen until 2020. If it happens earlier then you get to keep Andi Peters. If
I win, please just blindfold him and let him out on a busy motorway.
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Dom Robinson wrote:
You actually expect analogue to be switched off by 2012? When did the
government ever get anything done on time? Think 2020 at the earliest, I'll
put a bet on that.

How much?

Your faith in the government(!)

NB I'm old enough to remember decimalisation. On time. And the transfer to
'new money' was completed for most people within the first week instead of the
months made available by the government.
The professional moaners will do their best to scupper it and there will be
well-publicised individuals refusing to buy digital and turning their analogue
machines on whilst they phone up the Queen to complain about the bad
reception. But most people will get on with it and it will all work.

It could work better now if the pictures weren't of substandard quality.

And unscrupulous cowboys (not the government) will make a killing.

Replace "not" with "and".
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"Ed" wrote in message
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Dixons helpfully commented "No one can really tell the difference
between 700 and 1000 lines"

Indeed most people wont be able to see the extra definition unless
they sit 2 feet from the box.

What you seem to overlook, however, is that you can view a larger
picture from the same distance using high definition with the same
perception of picture quality over the whole area. Screen sizes have
been increasing rapidly recently, and deficiencies in the current
picture quality are very evident.

What you are overlooking is that you will need a screen 7 feet wide
before you will need a HD TV, so even on a 40" TV you are
wasting your money. You simply will not be able to see the extra
definitioin.

Rubbish, utter rubbish. You go into a branch of Comet or Currys and
have a look at their HD demos on 42" and even 37" screens. They're
awesome.

So what? When you get it home you won't be watching demos all the time, you'll
be watching TV programmes that don't go anywhere near the strength of a demo.

I can't see two cars crashing in Albert Square, one of them stuffed full of
multicoloured balls that bounce slowly down the street(!)

Actually that might not be a bad idea. That programme could do with
some coloured balls bouncing down the street.

Course they'd spin it out to about three months.


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In uk.media.tv.misc on Tue, 4 Apr 2006, Dom Robinson wrote :

Rubbish, utter rubbish. You go into a branch of Comet or Currys and
have a look at their HD demos on 42" and even 37" screens. They're
awesome.

So what? When you get it home you won't be watching demos all the time, you'll
be watching TV programmes that don't go anywhere near the strength of a demo.

I can't see two cars crashing in Albert Square, one of them stuffed full of
multicoloured balls that bounce slowly down the street(!)

I'd still rather watch that than Eastenders, though.
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Paul 'Charts Fan' Hyett

Alan Hope wrote:

That programme could do with
some coloured balls bouncing down the street.

When I saw the Bravia advert I was convinced (due to apparent jerky
motion and oversaturated flat colours) that it was done with one or two
real balls that the camera seemed to track, and then millions of CGI
ones added - kind of defeated the purpose ....

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On 4 Apr 2006 07:05:31 -0700 waved a wand and
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What more d'you expect from the likes of chav-friendly outlets such as
Dixons?

Do you mean outlets which exploit the poor and technically challeged?
Buy online. Always.

Indeed I always do. Some of my best things came from online stores
and from knowing exactly what I wanted.

Pity I can't do the same thing with women...


www.bride.ru

Seems you can get anything online these days!