BBC/ITV FreeSat - will this be any different from FreeSatFromSky?

"Paul Ratcliffe" wrote in message
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On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:46:36 +0000, Adrian C wrote:

It's not only a profitable enterprise - Murdoch's a monopolistic mogal
who concentrates on annilation of the competition, corruption,
restrictive practices, exploitation ... the unhappy list goes on.

See also: Bill Gates. Would like to see them both left to rot on an
uninhabited desert island somehere. IMHO, of course.

Have you taken into account the following recent quotation from The Times?:

"Today's donation pushes Bill Gates into an even more exalted position as
the world's biggest philanthropist.
The Gates foundation, which is worth $30 billion, (£17 billion), is now the
largest charity to have been created by a single benefactor or private
company by a factor of three, following a previous $3 billion gift from its
founder last July. Mr Gates has stated that he intends to give away 90 per
cent of his fortune, which is currently valued at about $50 billion."

"Jomtien" wrote in message
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Tumbleweed wrote:

The Sky EPG can be updated by the second. It should never be wrong.

Doh!
So if the BBC dont update it when a BBC programme, being played out by the
BBC, is late, why do you say its Sky's fault?

Because Sky are responsible and should ensure that all data is
correct.

You seem to have great difficulty understanding this very simple matter
Jomtien.
Sky are not 'responsible' for the EPG, other than to send it out. Its the
responsibility of each and evry broadcaster to get their correct EPG data
into the EPG, and to make sure that their programme playouts correspond. Sky
dont have any way of changing either of those. They cant update BBCs EPG,
and neither can they determine what time a programme starts or end because
they dont control playout for BBC.

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"Jomtien" wrote in message
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Zero Tolerance wrote:

Either way, Sky
are totally responsible for everything that happens in the Sky EPG and
also to the Sky+.

.. unfortunately EPG listings and the data which Sky+ uses to record
from are the responsibility of the channels themselves. So failed
recordings on BBC channels usually mean the BBC has flubbed the data.

No, the responsibility is Sky's. If they are being given bad data then
it is up to them to ensure that those giving the bad data are made to
improve it. No matter which way you look at it it is Sky's
responsibility because they are in charge. That is what the word
means.

You are now (deliberately?) mixing up two things
1) a specific instance of a programme being wrong..that they cant do
anything **at all** about.
2) the general 'crapness' of a broadcaster at time keeping. All they can do
is make compliants to that broadcaster (which I know for a fact they do),
but there are no sanctions they can make. They cant stop BBC2 transmitting,
or fine them, just because nearly every programme on it is late for example.



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On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:39:07 +0100, Jomtien wrote:

No, the responsibility is Sky's. If they are being given bad data then
it is up to them to ensure that those giving the bad data are made to
improve it.

I'm sure they do. But Sky can't stop a channel (either intentionally
or accidentally) broadcasting incorrect data, which, for example, the
BBC does rather often. And even Sky cannot predict ahead of time that
a channel is not going to actually transmit the programmes that their
EPG data says they will...

Whichever way you look at it, it's the responsibility of the
individual channel to ensure that their EPG data is correct and that
it matches in every way (both visible and invisible) what they will
broadcast.

On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:39:07 +0100, Jomtien wrote:

The responsibility is Sky's as they are in charge. The error could be
anyone's but that is neither here nor there.

Legally, other than to ensure that the data they rebroadcast meets the
necessary codes, Sky are not "responsible" for third party broadcasts
of any kind - that includes EPG data.

In article ,
Malcolm H wrote:

"Paul Ratcliffe" wrote in message
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On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:46:36 +0000, Adrian C wrote:

It's not only a profitable enterprise - Murdoch's a monopolistic mogal
who concentrates on annilation of the competition, corruption,
restrictive practices, exploitation ... the unhappy list goes on.

See also: Bill Gates. Would like to see them both left to rot on an
uninhabited desert island somehere. IMHO, of course.

Have you taken into account the following recent quotation from The Times?:

"Today's donation pushes Bill Gates into an even more exalted position as
the world's biggest philanthropist.
The Gates foundation, which is worth $30 billion, (£17 billion), is now the
largest charity to have been created by a single benefactor or private
company by a factor of three, following a previous $3 billion gift from its
founder last July. Mr Gates has stated that he intends to give away 90 per
cent of his fortune, which is currently valued at about $50 billion."

Unlike The Times I calculate such things as a percentage of wealth. Bill Gates
is pushing bottom place.

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Tumbleweed wrote:

Because Sky are responsible and should ensure that all data is
correct.

You seem to have great difficulty understanding this very simple matter
Jomtien.
Sky are not 'responsible' for the EPG, other than to send it out. Its the
responsibility of each and evry broadcaster to get their correct EPG data
into the EPG, and to make sure that their programme playouts correspond. Sky
dont have any way of changing either of those. They cant update BBCs EPG,
and neither can they determine what time a programme starts or end because
they dont control playout for BBC.

I shall explain again:
Sky designed the EPG. They decide the spec. They authorise channels to
appear in it, against payment. They dictate to broadcasters what must
go in to the EPG and how it should be arranged and transmitted. No-one
apart from Sky has any say whatsoever in any of this. So Sky are
entirely responsible for the EPG and everything in it.

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Zero Tolerance wrote:

The responsibility is Sky's as they are in charge. The error could be
anyone's but that is neither here nor there.

Legally, other than to ensure that the data they rebroadcast meets the
necessary codes, Sky are not "responsible" for third party broadcasts
of any kind - that includes EPG data.

No broadcaster has any choice about how the EPG works, how it was
designed or how it is broadcast; ergo Sky are entirely responsible.

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UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
BBC reception questions? ; http://www.astra2d.com/
Fed up with on-screen logos? : http://logofreetv.org/
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No monies return'd. ;-)

Tumbleweed wrote:

You are now (deliberately?) mixing up two things
1) a specific instance of a programme being wrong..that they cant do
anything **at all** about.
2) the general 'crapness' of a broadcaster at time keeping.

Item (1) is merely an individual occurrence of item (2). There is no
difference.

Besides which this isn't the point.

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The Sky Digital FAQ: http://tinyurl.com/8vef5
UK TV overseas: http://tinyurl.com/6p73
BBC reception questions? ; http://www.astra2d.com/
Fed up with on-screen logos? : http://logofreetv.org/
----
Only the truth as I see it.
No monies return'd. ;-)

On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:58:29 +0100, Jomtien wrote:

I shall explain again:
Sky designed the EPG. They decide the spec. They authorise channels to
appear in it, against payment. They dictate to broadcasters what must
go in to the EPG and how it should be arranged and transmitted. No-one
apart from Sky has any say whatsoever in any of this. So Sky are
entirely responsible for the EPG and everything in it.

But they rely on feeds from the other broadcasters to supply the data.
They do not generate the data themselves and certainly are not
responsible for last minute scheduling changes with from the likes of
the BBC.
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